a challenge to conservatives..

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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:14 am

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Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:what is the end game? How do you envision this going?

Kropotkin

The end game is to bring back Slavery.













































































Not for black people........



































































































But to make Liberals slaves of Conservatives. You will be owned by a Conservative family. You will own Nothing. And you will be Happy.

Unironically, I believe Liberals would be happier this way, since Liberals cannot be morally responsible for themselves or others.
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby Magnus Anderson » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:55 am

Motor Daddy wrote:Oh, so they are forcing me to go to jail because it is my will? Are you for real?


I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about hypothetical people who approve of the laws. I was saying that, if everyone who lives in certain area in US decided to embrace the law that says that abortions should be banned in that place, then Roe v Wade would be a limitation on their freedom to put that law in practice, and you wouldn't be able to say that Roe v Wade is preventing one group of people from forcing another group to obey their will because noone is objecting to the idea that abortions should be banned. They all approve of it.

Of course, it's a hypothetical example. In reality, such communities only exist when they are small, and even then, they are pretty rare. Most real-life communities have dissenters -- the larger they are, the more dissenters there are. But at least, communities can approach the ideal. Most people who live in the red states are against the abortion. Not all of them but most of them. You have a smaller group of people who want abortion to be allowed and a larger group of people who don't. Unless differences in their beliefs are resolved, or a compromise of some sort is reached, regardless of what laws are put in place, there will be people who are forced to obey certain laws against their will. If abortion is prohibited, the minority will suffer. If abortion is allowed, the majority will suffer. You seem to think that Roe vs Wade, which is to say, a federal ban on abortion bans during the first couple of months of pregnancy, somehow resolves that problem. You think that it gives everyone freedom. But it doesn't. It gives a degree of freedom to one group of people (the minority) while taking away a degree of freedom from another (the majority.)

People in power make laws and you are forced to obey them or pay the price, whether you agree with them or not.


"Roe v Wade" does precisely that.

It's outrageous to claim they are throwing me in jail because I disobeyed MY WILL.


Noone said that.

So if there is no law against drunk driving, and an officer pulls me over, I should expect to be taken to jail because I don't believe drinking and driving is the right thing to do, even though I am doing that very thing?


No because you didn't grant him the authority to do so.

Should I demand that the officer take me to jail even though there is no law against drunk driving, on the grounds that I believe what I was doing was wrong? (rolls eyes)


Up to you.
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby MagsJ » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:33 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: no, no there isn't a pharmaceutical "route" that is the point..
and as far as "abortion clinic cash-cow" I am not sure where
you picked up that nonsense, but clinics have been shut down
all over this country.... the don't engage in "stocks"... they
are engaged with women's health issues.. as woman, I would think
that you feel that abortion rights are health care rights, and all people,
male or female, deserve proper health care.. unless you don't care
about people getting proper health care?

Appeal to emotion?

It would be very unethical to deny the right to an abortion in certain circumstances .. you know, the hippocratic oath n all.

Mr Reasonable wrote:planned parenthood doesn't have stock, and they survive mostly on donations, and are the largest provider of women's healthcare services in the country, abortions being only a small part of what they do. they're affordable for everyone and not in the game of making big corporation style money.

the issue here is for one, that each woman ought be allowed to make the choice for herself. aside from that, many of the right wing states are now passing laws that ban abortion even in cases of ectopic pregnancies and that do not have exemptions for cases of rape or incest.

if a woman is going to die as a result of an ectopic pregnancy, it should not be a criminal violation for her to have that pregnancy terminated and save her life. if a woman is raped, or impregnanted by a family member, she should not be criminalized for ending that pregnancy.

It would be very unethical to deny the right to an abortion in certain circumstances.. you know, the hippocratic oath n all.
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby origami » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:42 am

Of course, the law that was allowed to pass in Mississipi makes a provision for medically necessary abortions. Otherwise, I doubt the Supreme Court would have allowed it to pass, and I doubt anybody anywhere would suggest it.
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby origami » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:44 am

The law says this:

“Except in a medical emergency or in
the case of a severe fetal abnormality, a person shall not
intentionally or knowingly perform . . . or induce an abor-
tion of an unborn human being if the probable gestational
age of the unborn human being has been determined to be
greater than fifteen (15) weeks.”


And later mentions the distinction between those and elective or non-therapeutic abortions, so:

It began by noting that, at the time of enact-
ment, only six countries besides the United States “per-
mit[ted] nontherapeutic or elective abortion-on-demand
after the twentieth week of gestation.”15 §2(a)
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby origami » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:50 am

It's not only in preagnancy that this happens. A person can be born with an attached twin in a situation where both cannot survive, and one must be allowed to die when separating them.

In these cases, as in any similar one, it is acknowledged that a life is being taken.
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:29 am

[quote="Peter Kropotkin"]Ok, you got your wish, Roe v Wade is gone, now what?
what is the end game? How do you envision this going?

So, I challenge conservatives to lay out their vision of
America in 10 years? What do you want to see happen?
End homosexual marriage? repeal all law approving weed?
According to you, what is next?

K: we have 4 pages and 80 replies and yet not one person
has engaged with the thread at hand.. what is next?

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Now if only I could get the other "members of the collection of truth"
to put me on ignore, life would be good..

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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby origami » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:54 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: we have 4 pages and 80 replies and yet not one person
has engaged with the thread at hand.. what is next?


This kind of dishonesty is why we are winning.

And I'll tell you what, we are not tired of winning yet.
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby origami » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:01 pm

Maybe a Republican congress will finally decide to propose some laws that insure the integrity of elections so that, for example, millions of votes cannot be sent over the US postal service with 0 supervision.
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:17 pm

origami wrote:Maybe a Republican congress will finally decide to propose some laws that insure the integrity of elections so that, for example, millions of votes cannot be sent over the US postal service with 0 supervision.

Keep in mind that only about half of the US republicans are pro-Constitutional America (virtually none of the democrats/socialist/commies). But it will be interesting to see what the globalists come up with to defraud the US elections next time. If they can't manage to defraud them sufficiently - they will probably just strongly promote that the republicans cheated and the election is illegitimate (like they are currently doing with SCOTUS).

As far as the globalists are concerned - they already own the Earth. They don't care about anyone's laws or rights or anything relating to historical norms, boundaries, or ethics - bribing, mass murdering, -- they really don't care at all.

Their sole interest at the moment is solidifying their dominance (mostly through varied types of extortion). They are deeply vested and very confident in their supremacy. They create and destroy billionaires at will - having a little trouble with Saint Trump though. :D
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby origami » Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:29 pm

Nobody is above economy of resources.

Except, in their minds, fanatics.
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:16 pm

origami wrote:Nobody is above economy of resources.

Except, in their minds, fanatics.


But are they fulminating?
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby origami » Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:26 pm

Sometimes.
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Re: a challenge to conservatives..

Postby origami » Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:27 pm

Just the other day they were writing about how they have to humiliate Russia with mob tactics of intimidation.

I wonder how that's going for them.
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