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Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:18 am

So, the EPA Supreme Court case brought into focus the EPA. Elsewhere, we have been deeply offended by communists trying to emit opinions on the case without reading it. Here, we will require no such thing. It is unrelated to the case and specifically to discuss what the role of the EPA is, what it should be, and practical implications of both.
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:11 am

the epa should do things like clean up superfund sites

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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:12 am

Ok, that is one specific scenario of one specific thing you think the EPA should somehow influence.

Can we get you maybe to flesh out what that implies in terms of what you think the EPA should be involved with, and how?
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:14 am

i think it's pretty self explanatory no?
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:14 am

You know, at the risk of intellectualizing.
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:14 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:i think it's pretty self explanatory no?


I know in your head you think so, but it really isn't.
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:16 am

well, if someone does something that ends up damaging the environment such that others suffer as a result of it as in the case of superfund sites, the epa should act in such a way as to resolve the issue.
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:17 am

That's pretty vague, no?
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:17 am

i think it's pretty clear. it's not a very complex idea.
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:18 am

No, it's very vague.

The EPA is a very large organization with specific powers.

If they operated on the basis of anything remotely that vague, they would cease to exist within days.
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:19 am

Maybe the EPA should regulate second hand smoke by sending hitmen to kill smokers.

That conceivably fits within your definition.
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:20 am

i don't understand why you're trying to frame is as being vague that the epa should adminster the cleanup of superfund sites. or why you're trying to link that to cigarette smoke.
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:21 am

who should hold responsible the parties that caused the environmental damage at superfund sites around the country? or should they be held responsible at all?
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:21 am

Your specific example doesn't serve as an idea of what the EPA should do. It defines nothing. As per the definition you did offer:

Mr Reasonable wrote:well, if someone does something that ends up damaging the environment such that others suffer [...] the epa should act in such a way as to resolve the issue.


Sending hitmen to kill smokers fits.
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:25 am

i'm sorry, but there is nothing vague about the statement that the epa should administer the cleanup of superfund sites. you can expand and contract definitions by comparing a superfund site to a puff of cigarette smoke, but if you can't grasp the absurdity of that then you aren't ready for a real conversation about this
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:26 am

why are you pretending to not know the difference between a superfund site and 2nd hand cigarette smoke?
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:27 am

Of course I know many differences, which is why I brought up the counter example. I am trying to understand what is clear in your head but not clear to me, which is what the EPA's role should be.
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:29 am

As it stands, all you have given us is this:

Mr Reasonable wrote:well, if someone does something that ends up damaging the environment such that others suffer [...] the epa should act in such a way as to resolve the issue.
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:30 am

i think that's the answer to the question. what else do you want? do you not think that the epa should administer the cleanup of superfund sites?
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:31 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:i think that's the answer to the question. what else do you want?


Maybe an answer that explains where you think the limit is, because

Mr Reasonable wrote:well, if someone does something that ends up damaging the environment such that others suffer [...] the epa should act in such a way as to resolve the issue.


this easily includes wacking smokers.
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:32 am

Very vague.
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:34 am

where do you think the limit should be?
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Re: The EPA

Postby origami » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:34 am

I think a more interesting question first is the one i asked first in the OP, which is where the limit currently in actuallity is.
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:35 am

i can't help but to lol at the idea that you're objection to something as uncontroversial as cleaning up superfund sites is that it's a slippery slope that might lead to some state sanctioned murder of cigarette smokers i mean that's wild
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Re: The EPA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:35 am

like is this real
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