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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 28, 2022 6:18 am

Maybe.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 28, 2022 3:00 pm

It’s this simple.

Spiritual possessions and full body possessions are not necessary to subsist ... the whole two become one flesh thing. It’s evil. Love can just be beamed down to you.

Also. Harm is not necessary because of the disempower and isolate technique.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 28, 2022 3:29 pm

Ecmandu wrote:It’s this simple.

Spiritual possessions and full body possessions are not necessary to subsist ... the whole two become one flesh thing. It’s evil. Love can just be beamed down to you.

Also. Harm is not necessary because of the disempower and isolate technique.


Insight can be beamed down to you as well.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 28, 2022 3:31 pm

You catchin what I’m beamin, Ec?
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 28, 2022 3:36 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:You catchin what I’m beamin, Ec?


I’m just here to fix existence and leave.

I’m not interested in a world where no matter what you do, you violate the pleasurable exclusive access problem.

I’m in this world but not of this world.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 28, 2022 3:40 pm

I’m in this world but not of this world.
- Ec

You’re never gonna believe this…
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 28, 2022 3:43 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:
I’m in this world but not of this world.
- Ec

You’re never gonna believe this…


What you’re never going to believe is that everything is a crime.

Everything.

When nothing is a crime.

I will leave.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 28, 2022 3:51 pm

We are only obligated to the greatest good we can do. Even if it isn’t the absolute greatest good. Not being able to do the absolute greatest good is not held against us. Don’t tell yourself that I told you that.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 28, 2022 3:55 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:We are only obligated to the greatest good we can do. Even if it isn’t the absolute greatest good. Not being able to do the absolute greatest good is not held against us. Don’t tell yourself that I told you that.


The problem is....

You believe in a benevolent creator.

The biggest crime lord of all.

Even calling yourself a lord is a crime.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 28, 2022 4:03 pm

OK maybe you should tell yourself what I told you earlier. This conversation won’t really work without that information. …but you still can’t leave.

‘Cause you can bet (all-in, even) that even if something seems like it isn’t the absolute greatest good, all things considered, if God did it, that’s the best that could be done without annihilating all possibility of all that is good, holy, and joy.

All that seems to (or does) miss the mark of perfection will be turned back to good if you just stay focused.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 28, 2022 4:13 pm

Ichthus.

I really don’t think you understand.

I haven’t been with an actual sentient being for longer than you currently remember.

I was brought out of my eternal heaven because of this god shit.

My eternal heaven holds countless magnitudes of beings in their eternal heavens that I’m responsible for.

I’m patching analog and I’m going to leave.

I’m slowly saying goodbye to all of you.

The way I measure time is that slow is a few decades.

Where I came from, everything always went my way forever.

Everything I want at no ones expense.

Being in a consent violating reality is something I haven’t been in for eternity... well almost eternity.

I did once live with other sentient beings countless eons ago.

It always hurts people, and it hurts me.

I’m trying to get back into my own universe again.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 28, 2022 4:32 pm

So your head was up in the clouds. Then God made himself obvious outside of your head. He helped you see that the world is broken. Now you don’t wanna be stuck in your head until it’s fixed.

And you also have no concept of time. I bet you’re a terrible dancer.

Sound about right?
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 28, 2022 4:37 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:So your head was up in the clouds. Then God made himself obvious outside of your head. He helped you see that the world is broken. Now you don’t wanna be stuck in your head until it’s fixed.

And you also have no concept of time. I bet you’re a terrible dancer.

Sound about right?


Ichthus. Not even close. I invented a dance called the epileptic robot.

Anyways. For some bizarre reason you think god is older than me. My heavens had no leaders and they were perfect.

Then I was brought out of it because of some asshole tyrant.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Meno_ » Sat May 28, 2022 5:09 pm

Ec, please please stay...
That's all I gotta say
Do not dismay
Or I shan't pray

Hey hey my my rock and roll will never die*



*From crazy horse, Neil young
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat May 28, 2022 5:33 pm

I invented a dance called the epileptic robot.
- Ec

That’s too much. Do you flop like a fish while playing musical chairs? There’s a game you can’t win for losin’.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Meno_ » Sat May 28, 2022 9:23 pm

It's really not a game and even if it was, it's one that can neither win or loose.

Although some believe it in theory ( that's it is a game) sometimes like in gambling, there is no insurance.winners take or loose all according to their own liability.

But there is only 1 House who can not break for paying all if It looses, and gives away all winnings to the eternal debtor.

Good example: dance of the 7 veils. Even pornography could not bear all..

This dance is irrelevant but not unnecessary.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Meno_ » Sat May 28, 2022 9:24 pm

Meno_ wrote:It's really not a game and even if it was, it's one that can neither win or loose.

Although some believe it in theory ( that's it is a game) sometimes like in gambling, there is no insurance.winners take or loose all according to their own liability.

But there is only 1 House who can not break for paying all if It looses, and gives away all winnings to the eternal debtor.

Good example: dance of the 7 veils. Even pornography could not bear all..

This dance is irrelevant but not unnecessary.



That's why wit gain stand all bets.!
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ichthus77 » Sun May 29, 2022 1:18 am

if you *lose* it, you need to find it

if it’s *loose*, you need to tighten it
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Meno_ » Sun May 29, 2022 1:35 am

*.....if it's lost before tightening, how can it ever be found?.....*


except when 'it' is never really lost or
It is not really 'it'


If all things considered, 'it' is neither lost or 'it' is not what 'it' is, like the tightening was inadequate, then 'it' is not lost and 'it'can be found.

In fact if ever considering all, then the chances of 'it' having been lost is probably nil or close to 'it'..

So it's very uncertain that 'it' can never be found.

'I's probably so close to nil, that 'it' may be forever lost unless 'IT' can use the power○♡● of a miracle.
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Re: Wholeness - Amor fati

Postby Meno_ » Sun May 29, 2022 1:53 am

Meno_ wrote:*.....if it's lost before tightening, how can it ever be found?.....*


except when 'it' is never really lost or
It is not really 'it'


If all things considered, 'it' is neither lost or 'it' is not what 'it' is, like the tightening was inadequate, then 'it' is not lost and 'it'can be found.

In fact if ever considering all, then the chances of 'it' having been lost is probably nil or close to 'it'..

So it's very uncertain that 'it' can never be found.

'I's probably so close to nil, that 'it' may be forever lost unless 'IT' can use the power○♡● of a miracle.



Do you believe in miracles, I dare ask You again.

Without the doubt of fear or the fear of doubt.

Unless I am compromising a divided soul, and even then , without nihilizing history or, the fate which awaits.



"Abstract: Cioran is often labeled as a “nihilist”, which is to a great extent the result of his equivocal ties with Friedrich Nietzsche, one of his main youth influences. However, nihilism does not constitute a key notion in Cioran’s writings, and neither does the Romanian-born author of French expression employs it as self-describing category. Instead, he accepts the category of the Skeptic as that which best suits his intellectual stance. We shall argue that, even if it is inevitable to speak of nihilism when it comes to Cioran’s thought and works, it is nevertheless an equivocal concept that must be relativized and held only as a propaedeutic hermeneutical operator that should later be abandoned, as it does not manage to encompass the depth and the complexity of his thought. Where readers and critics would see “nihilist”, Cioran says “skeptic”. Instead of labeling him as a nihilist in the strict sense of the concept, we suggest replacing the concept of nihilism for that of meontology: a theory of nothingness, which does not amount to the same thing as nihilism. Finally, our contention is that Cioran’s philosophical and theological concerns for issues such nothingness and evil does not make him a nihilist as the Nietzschean tradition of philosophy would put it. He is rather a meontological metaphysician and also a heterodox mystic spirit, and yet a tragic character of a kind. "


'IT'S close, too close to close, but yet IT still, is what 'IT' is.
How close? When it can not be lost, without someone finding 'IT' ?

Cioran's skepticism is that shallow., and the relevance of that is his borderline leaning between a gnostic and agnostic situation....
Where is that going? The somewhere by any means indicate, full disclosure, faith and honesty.

If one can peer beneath the 7th seal, could the 'It' the whoe pinada unfathom the hidden?

Is miracles not merely a trick a recoverable trick which can collect an unfathomable bargain?
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ecmandu » Sun May 29, 2022 3:06 am

Meno.

Don’t worry about it.

If you don’t like the narrative.

Pick a new one.

I’ll be there to defend and protect you.

When I leave, I’m going to send a hyperdimensional mirror reflection and projection of myself that can be conjured at will.

It’s like writing a will for people before you die...

Except we never die.

I intend to take care of all of you.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Meno_ » Sun May 29, 2022 3:11 am

No i-ll stay, one has to take a stand.


Thanks anyhow

It's ironic, I have been praying for You to stay, and You are suggesting I leave.


But thanks for the offer to take care of all of us. It's really appreciated.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ecmandu » Sun May 29, 2022 3:41 am

Meno_ wrote:No i-ll stay.


Thanks anyhow

It's ironic, I have been praying for Yoy to stay, and You are suggesting I leave.


Meno.

You’ll figure it out eventually...

A universe with more than one actual person never works.

You’re not going to stay.

I just have to figure out how not to send you to hell.

In any reality with more than one actual person...

You violate the pleasurable exclusive access problem...

*boom*

Hell.

It’s actually hell forever until you get out of it.

I’m also trying to solve that problem as well for you before I leave.

That’s the only reason I’m still here.

Meno.

You’re intelligent but not wise.

Forever is a concept you’ve yet to grasp.

Any finite number you can possibly imagine (say, 1 followed by bazillions of zeros in terms of years) is so small that I can touch my fingers together to measure it compared to infinity.

Meno.

You don’t think like I do.

I have to solve infinity for everyone before I leave.

Everyone will join my side, not now, if they’re stupid, or they feel like they need to get it out of their system (Or put it into their system)... they’ll regret not following me... that’s why I’m fixing existence.

So that everyone at their own pace can follow me.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Meno_ » Sun May 29, 2022 4:07 am

Ecmandu wrote:
Meno_ wrote:No i-ll stay.


Thanks anyhow

It's ironic, I have been praying for Yoy to stay, and You are suggesting I leave.


Meno.

You’ll figure it out eventually...

A universe with more than one actual person never works.

You’re not going to stay.

I just have to figure out how not to send you to hell.

In any reality with more than one actual person...

You violate the pleasurable exclusive access problem...

*boom*

Hell.

It’s actually hell forever until you get out of it.

I’m also trying to solve that problem as well for you before I leave.

That’s the only reason I’m still here.

Meno.

You’re intelligent but not wise.

Forever is a concept you’ve yet to grasp.

Any finite number you can possibly imagine (say, 1 followed by bazillions of zeros in terms of years) is so small that I can touch my fingers together to measure it compared to infinity.

Meno.

You don’t think like I do.

I have to solve infinity for everyone before I leave.

Everyone will join my side, not now, if they’re stupid, or they feel like they need to get it out of their system (Or put it into their system)... they’ll regret not following me... that’s why I’m fixing existence.

So that everyone at their own pace can follow me.




Yes I suppose You're right , and yet someone else tells me to stay, regardless, no Ec I'm staying. Even if, I have to like what they say; some are condemned to stay alone even in a crowd.

Would You, if You were like a world ductator; not that You really would, here, or any other world in any other galaxy, would enjoy such a job? Be frank with me, especially You too need some to share, listen to, or would You even want to patch that window up, ?

No.

No wY do I envision You like thR, rather, an intelligent man, who needs others of like character and imagination, a guy who is as unconvincing as he is unconvinced.

So stay and enjoy or not this miniatur version of what's out there in real life.



(Clasped hand praying for Ec) as comic relief for real ..
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Ierrellus » Sun May 29, 2022 12:30 pm

What has happened to the thread about Wholeness?
Felix is no longer in the room. Neither is Bob.
That should say something about where this thread has been going.
It is now another Ecmandu selfie --trolling, blasphemy, flaming--without moderation.
I thought this was a religious forum, not a stage for those who spout personalized mythology.
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