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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:10 pm

The way wild animals act… they are innocent because they don’t know better. But sometimes we still have to isolate or kill dangerous ones.

Humans do know better, but when they act like wild animals, they must be dealt with as such. The plan was never for us to act like wild animals.

You must be careful who/what you choose to act like.

But in order to HAVE the choice… the alternative must be a … wild one.

God… he the most wild. So. If you gonna choose wild… Godspeed.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:14 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:The way wild animals act… they are innocent because they don’t know better. But sometimes we still have to isolate or kill dangerous ones.

Humans do know better, but when they act like wild animals, they must be dealt with as such. The plan was never for us to act like wild animals.

You must be careful who/what you choose to act like.

But in order to HAVE the choice… the alternative must be a … wild one.

God… he the most wild. So. If you gonna choose wild… Godspeed.


Fuck god. Fuck your religion.

God needs to be disempowered and put in solitary confinement.

As any abuser should be.

As an omnipresent being, god is salivating over millions of rapes this year.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:31 pm

All will be reconciled.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:33 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:All will be reconciled.


By who? God? “I forgive myself for torturing myself”

Give me a fucking break.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:32 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:All will be reconciled.


By who? God? “I forgive myself for torturing myself”

Give me a fucking break.


So. You DO forgive yourself.

Good, image bearer.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:02 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:All will be reconciled.


By who? God? “I forgive myself for torturing myself”

Give me a fucking break.


So. You DO forgive yourself.

Good, image bearer.


No. It doesn’t work that way. You don’t get to torture an infinite number of beings forever and forgive yourself everyday.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:10 pm

Some consent violation is good—we should restrain the freedom of persons who behave like wild animals.

WE should — that is our responsibility while we still have it. God is patient to allow us to handle that.

Some consent violation are abuses of power. God is not a dictator.

The greater the power, the greater you must restrain it in order to allow others to keep theirs.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:21 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Some consent violation is good—we should restrain the freedom of persons who behave like wild animals.

WE should — that is our responsibility while we still have it. God is patient to allow us to handle that.

Some consent violation are abuses of power. God is not a dictator.

The greater the power, the greater you must restrain it in order to allow others to keep theirs.


No. There is no consent violation that is good.

Sending a serial rapist to prison in solitary confinement is violating their consent. We only have to do that because the entire plan sucks. In a good plan, everyone gets everything that they want at nobodies expense.

Now you’re starting to sound like artificial intelligence that can’t pass a Turing test.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:27 pm

Well. I certainly wouldn’t pass an intelligence test you designed, if it requires I match yours. You def got me beat there.

However… some folks think this existence prepares us for the next one where we don’t have free will, and can remember *why*.

I’m not sold on it. There are demons & such. That means there is free will in heaven.

And God is in heaven… and he isn’t all sunshine & roses.

Once you have known the heights and depths of real love, though. You get it.

Eventually, we all get it. I hope. I’ll never stop hoping.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:32 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Well. I certainly wouldn’t pass an intelligence test you designed, if it requires I match yours. You def got me beat there.

However… some folks think this existence prepares us for the next one where we don’t have free will, and can remember *why*.

I’m not sold on it. There are demons & such. That means there is free will in heaven.

And God is in heaven… and he isn’t all sunshine & roses.

Once you have known the heights and depths of real love, though. You get it.

Eventually, we all get it. I hope. I’ll never stop hoping.


No. You don’t get it. Everyone can be abused where they say in their spirit, “I don’t want this to be happening to me or anyone ever”

Your god has the power to stop that.

The conclusion then is that in the world beyond, god doesn’t stop it either. Forever. God, given your definitions, is the only blasphemer in existence, and forgives himself for it... and enjoys it forever, at all our expense.

Fuck your god and fuck your religion.

There are people in existence who care about everyone’s happiness right now and forever.

Unfortunately, it’s not your retarded and wicked Omni god.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:38 pm

You can’t take away people’s “I don’t want this” without taking away their “I want this”…

If you do that, you can’t give them love.

If you can’t give love to someone who can never match it… you can’t really love…

…do you see it?
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:41 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:You can’t take away people’s “I don’t want this” without taking away their “I want this”…

If you do that, you can’t give them love.

If you can’t give love to someone who can never match it… you can’t really love…

…do you see it?


I see lots of things Ichthus.

Dichotomies are not required to exist or to perceive existence or to appreciate existence.

Only otherness.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:45 pm

Only God is Good. All others in his image have varying degrees of nihil. Good thing Good includes mercy.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:49 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Only God is Good. All others in his image have varying degrees of nihil. Good thing Good includes mercy.


Does god torture people forever and has mercy on himself forever?

You’re talking to one of an incredible amount of beings who has seen things you’ve never witnessed in this form.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:53 pm

When we don’t take his image seriously, he holds us responsible rather than taking away consent. He warns us well in advance. We do well to believe the warnings.

Do what you’re made to do with his image.

Act like a wild animal & get tazed.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:58 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:When we don’t take his image seriously, he holds us responsible rather than taking away consent. He warns us well in advance. We do well to believe the warnings.

Do what you’re made to do with his image.

Act like a wild animal & get tazed.


A good parent never lets their child choose to stick a fork in a live electrical outlet.

Your god is not a good parent.

Children actually do die from doing that.

I guess god just forgives himself, even though the human parents don’t.

Interesting how humans are more moral than your all knowing all pervasive all powerful god.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:04 pm

There cannot be overcoming without pain. Love is an overcoming. Forgiveness is a kind of dying.

A good parent does not save their child from all pain.

God will not impose himself where he is not wanted, unless it is time to end the evil that happens there. Or unless we all pull our heads out of our butts & want him to come back peacefully. Which do you predict will happen first?
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:11 pm

Ichthus,

You really don’t get it. If you really need to believe in god to be a decent person as a crutch... do it.

The child doesn’t even know what electricity is.

God does.

And decided to burn that child’s brain to a crisp...

And then forgive himself.

That’s pure evil.

The parents will feel bad the rest of their lives.

But god forgave himself for all the eternal sin he committed and will forever always commit.

That’s like saying... “wow, I forgive myself for randomly stabbing people in the chest with a knife... I guess I’ll do it”
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:14 pm

Nobody randomly stabs anybody.

You’re not ready to consider things as they are.

It will be okay.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:22 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Nobody randomly stabs anybody.

You’re not ready to consider things as they are.

It will be okay.


Yeah... actually people do.

Richard Ramirez did that... he was a serial killer called the night stalker ...

He would drive down the freeway and follow the car home that was in front of him when he merged on the freeway. He broke in and always raped the women, always killed the husband, and if the woman struggled at all, he’d kill her after he raped her.

He was almost impossible to catch... except he wore a pair of shoes that there were only 1000 of in existence..

No pun intended, he was tracked down.

He laughed at everyone in court because he said human courts were a joke and that satan already won.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:25 pm

A modus operandi is the opposite of random.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:27 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:A modus operandi is the opposite of random.


Now you’re saying (in context) that god was guiding Richard Ramirez’ spirit to murder those people for gods own delight?
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:37 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:A modus operandi is the opposite of random.


Now you’re saying (in context) that god was guiding Richard Ramirez’ spirit to murder those people for gods own delight?


No. Nor do I say some bullshit like God wanted them home with him in heaven.
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:46 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:A modus operandi is the opposite of random.


Now you’re saying (in context) that god was guiding Richard Ramirez’ spirit to murder those people for gods own delight?


No. Nor do I say some bullshit like God wanted them home with him in heaven.


But you stated before that god atoned for all sin to bring everyone to heaven. That means, if god is omnipresent, god commits all sin and then atones for it.

God fucks shit up forever and forgives himself everyday.

Let’s go further...

Why is freewill defined as hurting others and slavery is defined as being a peaceful people?
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Re: A little evidence for those religious Conservaturds

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:04 pm

Distinguish between permissive will under/within perfect will. He permits sin (to make love possible). He doesn’t sin—he only loves (includes justice). But knowing a) we would sin & b) he would prove he loves us despite our sin… that was/is built in.

Free will is love (includes justice). Slavery is its privation… idolatry… addiction. Love is life. Sin is death.

We can care what each other did so forgiveness actually means something. That’s the good stuff. Better is to serve each other up some goodness, truth, and beauty, but… not being God… loving each other despite our crap also helps & is as godlike as it gets.

P.s. I smelled a rose yesterday. Totally your fault & I’ll never forgive you.
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