Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby MagsJ » Mon May 30, 2022 12:42 am

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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Meno_ » Mon May 30, 2022 12:59 am

Yeah MagsJ,

a kind of dimunitive act to recapture that sense of transcending the middle, into how to unstuck that jump over doubt which could not be imagined before .

The source of which has been undetermined prior to some kind of reconstruction, based on an intuitive source.
Memory plays tricks, and sometimes, recovery is like going from a deeper a hidden or forgotten analogues progress toward a more recently accounted for digital program.
Or something like it.



Recovery is possible, but relies more and more on elapsed time.


And hoping that recollection in this way , literally translates into re-collection of florgotten parts.

About the what is to what ought to be lincage. In reference to gnostism, the conscious phenomena of imminent experience, blesses those who can transcend the object ( the Word) into the objective that everyone can become conscious of.

So, in some exceptions, that is a way to ascertain that the middle can be transcended into it's own sense of being.

Those 'cases' need not or even can not justify how that state of affairs came to be.

Reconstructing those lost elements start with a recollection of the lost parts, before they can be recalled into unity.


So the analysis is a resource through which such linkegae to the source may be realized.
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Meno_ » Mon May 30, 2022 1:55 am

Meno_ wrote:Yeah MagsJ,

a kind of dimunitive act to recapture that sense of transcending the middle, into how to unstuck that jump over doubt which could not be imagined before .

The source of which has been undetermined prior to some kind of reconstruction, based on an intuitive source.
Memory plays tricks, and sometimes, recovery is like going from a deeper a hidden or forgotten analogues progress toward a more recently accounted for digital program.
Or something like it.



Recovery is possible, but relies more and more on elapsed time.


And hoping that recollection in this way , literally translates into re-collection of florgotten parts.

About the what is to what ought to be lincage. In reference to gnostism, the conscious phenomena of imminent experience, blesses those who can transcend the object ( the Word) into the objective that everyone can become conscious of.

So, in some exceptions, that is a way to ascertain that the middle can be transcended into it's own sense of being.

Those 'cases' need not or even can not justify how that state of affairs came to be.

Reconstructing those lost elements start with a recollection of the lost parts, before they can be recalled into unity.


So the analysis is a resource through which such linkegae to the source may be realized.

And for once I don't agree with Ec.

A structural change ( re formation) is not necessary the only friar is the coming re- formation. for if it was not feared at the council of Nicea then. maybe the road traveled may have offered a different synthetic course .just a ramble as usual I dare to say .
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 30, 2022 2:06 am

I don’t mean to feminize or emasculate anyone, but I already ubermansplained this:
https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... 1#p2871901
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Meno_ » Mon May 30, 2022 4:07 am

Thanks. I'm not kitting about it more




https://youtu.be/amGbBFsiuzc




Now You know that I feel guilty zbout posts like this^^^^^

as a matter of fact comic relief rarely works.
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 30, 2022 5:51 am

So. What does work for you, if the dilemma (I didn’t actually know) is real?
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Meno_ » Mon May 30, 2022 6:42 am

Your peer aty means everything to me.

Thank You 77.


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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon May 30, 2022 7:52 am

Ecmandu wrote:Go on. I think blasphemy is consent violation.

I think people who are about to violate consent should not be tormented... I think they should be immediately disempowered and isolated.

I think blasphemy is allowing any possible universe where someone is having their consent violated.

What do you think it is?

So it's okay to violate consent, based on thought-crimes?

I guess you just justified all organisms in existence having their consent violated...good going, Ecmandu, YOU RUINED IT!
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ierrellus » Mon May 30, 2022 12:08 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Talk about grasping at straws. I bet you made your name weird just so that you can say that when you have no argument.

If anyone is grasping at straws, It is you. I'm so disappointed by your post. My name for posting is a latinizing of my real name. Again it is with hurt that I read your post. As for Ecmandu, he is a devil to me and I will not try to debate him. This certainly does not imply that I have no argument. I just don't argue with devils.
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby MagsJ » Mon May 30, 2022 12:29 pm

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Well said, Ierrellus.. especially the not-engaging-with-the-evil part.

..a couple of members, letting one member drag them down to his obscene and divisive level of tasteless discourse.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. ~MagsJ

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something important at some point in time.. Huh!? ~MagsJ

You’re suggestions and I just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a very bad DJ ~MagsJ

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aes Sanātana Dharma Pali: the eternal way ~it should not be rigid, but inclusive of the best of all knowledge for the sake of Ṛta.. which is endless.
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Sculptor » Mon May 30, 2022 12:57 pm

Blasphemy is an indication that God is a weak minded idiot that is scared of criticism to such a degree that he has to invent a special class of libel and slander to protect himself against valid arguments.
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon May 30, 2022 2:18 pm

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To blaspheme is to create public disrespect (legally speaking) - to de-fame - to burn away the fame - to blast away the fame - to blaspheme.
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    • the left from the right,
    • the light from the dark, and
    • blame each for the sins of the other
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 30, 2022 2:33 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:Talk about grasping at straws. I bet you made your name weird just so that you can say that when you have no argument.

If anyone is grasping at straws, It is you. I'm so disappointed by your post. My name for posting is a latinizing of my real name. Again it is with hurt that I read your post. As for Ecmandu, he is a devil to me and I will not try to debate him. This certainly does not imply that I have no argument. I just don't argue with devils.


Appeal to emotion. Ad hominem. Also, b.s.
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 30, 2022 2:51 pm

Sculptor wrote:Blasphemy is an indication that God is a weak minded idiot that is scared of criticism to such a degree that he has to invent a special class of libel and slander to protect himself against valid arguments.


I think it’s telling that Job’s wife tells Job to curse God and die as a form of suicide. And I think it’s telling that most who have an experience with God think they are about to die. The source of Life… Being. The Real.

Yet he responded to Job, wrestled with Jacob, reassured all the other scaredy cats that he was going to do through them what he promised he would do, and would help them through it.

What else do you call disagreeing with Truth/Being you’ve seen below every surface, or claiming to be it when you’re not? “Fake news” doesn’t come close. But if you never *really* knew him, you never *really* blasphemed. Still … the junk will get burned off. And you’ll still be learning.

Doesn’t mean you can never laugh. I mean…

If you forgive any person's sins, they are forgiven, and if you hold them unforgiven, they are unforgiven. But if you will not forgive other people, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you your failures.


Pure gold. Sure, you have the power to hold a grudge, and I will respect it. And I will treat you as you see fit to treat them (ultimately me). That’s next level snark.
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 30, 2022 3:25 pm

If you realize what I’m saying....

Blasphemy is violating consent. This is called waking up.

Once that’s your standard, all of a sudden, you have to think.

Because you have no choice in the matter in a reality formed like this to violate consent (Murder innocents to live)

The only thing you can do is to restructure all of existence while walking softly here.

You even have to restructure it in a way that people who want to violate consent can continue to do that without hurting anyone.

You have to think of everyone.

The problem with people on this plane of existence is that because existence is violating everyone’s consent in some way, shape or form.

They go to “monkey see, monkey do” form.

They model existence instead of changing the structure.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby iambiguous » Mon May 30, 2022 3:48 pm

The New ILP?

Go! Go! Go! :lol:


Note to Ecmandu:

I grant you my consent to leave. Don't violate it, please. 8)
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Meno_ » Mon May 30, 2022 4:21 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:When you pray, you should say, "Our Heavenly Father, may your name be honored. May your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven! Give us each day the bread we need, and forgive us what we owe you for our sins, for we forgive anyone who owes anything to us; and keep us clear of temptation, and save us from evil."

And whenever you stand praying, you must forgive anything that you are holding against anyone else, and your Heavenly Father will forgive you your sins. For if you forgive other people their failures, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. If you forgive any person's sins, they are forgiven, and if you hold them unforgiven, they are unforgiven. But if you will not forgive other people, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you your failures.

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You serpent's brood, how can you say anything good out of your evil hearts? For a person's words will always express and depend on what has been treasured in their heart, what fills it. I tell you that people will have to answer in the day of judgment for every careless word they utter. For it is your words that will acquit you, and your words that will condemn you. There is no forgiveness for the one who speaks evil against the Holy Spirit. Believe me, all people's sins and blasphemies can be forgiven, but there can never be any forgiveness for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, either in this world or in the world to come! That is an eternal sin. But anyone who speaks against the Son of Man will be forgiven.

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Commentary: So. If you withhold forgiveness/mercy, you blaspheme the Holy Spirit who forgave you… You never knew him (forgiveness), and you never became who he made you (in his image) to be.

“I never knew you.”

Now go here: https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... 7#p2871847


And that does remind of something past almost prefigured in a similar context about becoming conscious of conscience or something like that. It kind of requires a leap - stretch . but need to return there


The value of reference is directly proportional to same time passages.(fortunately or other wise)



It was kierkegaard who differentiated , I am fairly certain, between becoming conscious of an object(transcendental( and then becoming conscious of consciousness it's self.


Just a kind of supplication or reassurance.





It was Brentano not Kierkegaard.Just letting me know
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Meno_ » Mon May 30, 2022 4:23 pm

iambiguous wrote:The New ILP?

Go! Go! Go! :lol:










Note to Ecmandu:

I grant you my consent to leave. Don't violate it, please. 8)




Cheers.


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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 30, 2022 4:29 pm

Soo… ok. If Satan can get cast out of heaven (to earth? to hell? out of the kingdom inside him?), obv consent can be taken back & there is free will in heaven. But - 1) what is the evidence he was cast out? 2) there is evidence he still communicates with God (like the rich man communicated with Lazarus… but there was a distance/gulf), and 3) if he’s still doin stuff on earth…

heaven (kingdom inside you), earth, and hell (kingdom of ~heaven inside you) are not that far removed

it’s like the prince stepping away from being part of the Royal family.

the adversary chooses to be such

Ec seems to be saying if you can’t beat existence (change the structure) you join/become it (monkey see, monkey do).

Erm. I think I catch what you’re beamin.

So, Ec… how does it feel to be stomach bacteria?
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 30, 2022 4:30 pm

Meno_ wrote:
iambiguous wrote:The New ILP?

Go! Go! Go! :lol:










Note to Ecmandu:

I grant you my consent to leave. Don't violate it, please. 8)




Cheers.


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dumps 11 down the sink
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 30, 2022 5:54 pm

Sorry not sorry. Going for a muthafricken walk.
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 30, 2022 6:45 pm

I hate this place.

I’m being very polite to you. But I hate it.

I’m not used to being in a reality where I don’t get everything I want at the expense of nobody forever. And all those people can be who they want to be.

I literally haven’t talked to a sentient being forever.

I hate to kill life and I hate to hurt others.

It causes me a tremendous amount of agony.

I live in a world where people see the meaning of life as hurting others.

A married person is no better than a serial killer.

A person who wants to see someone naked and does, is no better than a serial killer.

It’s called: violating the pleasurable exclusive access problem.

It sends you to hell and makes you pathetic.

I don’t want you to go to hell and I don’t want you to be pathetic.

Existence is a torture chamber, forever, unless we change it structurally forever.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ierrellus » Mon May 30, 2022 6:52 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Sorry not sorry. Going for a muthafricken walk.

I've lost all faith in you. I thought of you as a friend. Now you reveal your true colors.
This thread was thrown at me without my advice or consent. Yes without my consent. The thread should have been called " Ichthus, tell me what blasphemy is."
Magsj got it right.
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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ecmandu » Mon May 30, 2022 7:02 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:Sorry not sorry. Going for a muthafricken walk.

I've lost all faith in you. I thought of you as a friend. Now you reveal your true colors.
This thread was thrown at me without my advice or consent. Yes without my consent. The thread should have been called " Ichthus, tell me what blasphemy is."
Magsj got it right.


Ichthus doesn’t understand that we’re all god individually.

When you or Ichthus meet an actual ancient, it’s hard for both of you.

You want a father.

You’re your own father ierrillus.

I’m leaving soon. I have a couple more patches to make on this earth and all existence and I’ll just step right off it.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Ierrillus. Tell me what blasphemy is.

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon May 30, 2022 7:43 pm

You gotta choose your battles. You can’t solve every last problem. Some problems are supposed to happen. They’re not really *bad* problems. Sometimes it just takes getting used to. Practice.

I do know one thing for certain, besides the fact that I exist (half joking…), and that is that there are certain things I will never tolerate again. Even when I miss someone so much I think I might tolerate junk again, it just takes a little bit of remembering to be all “NOPE!”

I don’t laugh about that. Cuz it fricken hurts to miss him.

He reminds me of someone, and they remind me of him. And in between was someone who became something I don’t miss (so did I), that went the same direction as they did in one aspect—I am glad to be free of that. I won’t ever return to it, given the choice. Thank God I have that choice. Thank God I’ll never be young and stupid again… but it was nice while it lasted… heh.

So… yeah. Why am I here tolerating b.s. - I’m not, and I won’t. It’s a good way to get me to go. All you had to do was ask, ya sissies.

Bye.
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