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Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:05 pm

If you receive pleasure at another’s expense, hell awaits you.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:33 pm

Ecmandu wrote:If you receive pleasure at another’s expense, hell awaits you.


Okay, admittedly, from time to time, I experience pleasure from making fools out of the pinheads here. Though not you because right or wrong I'm convinced you have a "condition". It's often "beyond your control".

Hell then awaits me?

What does that mean though? A literal Hell as some religious folks here insist?

Or the lower-case hell as you understand it "in your head"?

Then the part where you actually demonstrate that what you think hell is there is in fact what awaits those who receive pleasure at the expense of another.

All of us, in other words.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:51 pm

Iambiguous,

I appreciate what you’re trying to do. You have no idea that we’re all immortal. It’s above your pay grade - apparently.

I’ve given up trying to explain to people.

It used to mean something to me to get people to understand life.

It doesn’t anymore.

I just focus on my job now.
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
You have no idea that we’re all immortal.


Indeed, and the reason for that is, like you now, I was once willing to accept that if I had an idea about something like immortality that was proof enough that it was true. I believed in it because I was a Christian once.

I figured if I explained what I believed about it [and God] in my head, then others would come to believe the same in their heads.

But then I started bumping into those who insisted it just wasn't enough to believe in immortally and God in my head, I had to be able to demonstrate that immortality and God really did exist real.

Only I couldn't. Not beyond a "leap of faith".

How about you? Is your belief in "immortality for all" just another leap of faith? Or do you have actual empirical, material, phenomenological proof that it is in fact the "real deal"?
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:40 pm

What do you do for work, and can we see its effects in the real (external) world? Is this work hard labor, or intellectual (internal)?

Is money real?

Is any value real?

Is the reality of a thing on a continuum between lasting zero units of time/space and existing in every unit of time/space? Does (ALL) stuff IN YOUR HEAD change over time?

Also… does (ANY) stuff IN YOUR HEAD (internal) ever, like, have *consequences* in the real (external) world? Is everything external real? Is everything internal “all in your head“? Does the reality/finality of those consequences follow same continuum rules as rest of reality?

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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:21 am

It doesn’t matter.

I’ve seen all your leaders (deities).

I needed to assess the problem.

To do that, I was required to do a soul split.

This is not the same as multiple personalities...

I needed to gather information.

You have no choice in this matter.

Heaven on earth is hell for beings like me.

Hell on earth is hell for beings like me.

You are confused about a world system like this.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Flannel Jesus » Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:26 pm

Sounds like you're going to hell then Ecmandu. Seems like you fantasize about other people getting their justice-pain.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:08 am

to quote the great philosopher john baldwin gourley, "who cares if hell awaits? we're having drinks at heaven's gate".
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:33 am

Flannel Jesus wrote:Sounds like you're going to hell then Ecmandu. Seems like you fantasize about other people getting their justice-pain.


Besides just usual sufferings in life, hell is a real dimension. You’ve either been there or you haven’t.

It’s real.

This is how it works...

Empaths can’t go to heaven. They hurt when anyone hurts.

Only sociopaths can go to heaven.

Some sociopaths make it to heaven and most don’t.

Eventually the sociopaths will be pulled down by the other sociopaths.
That means everyone goes to hell eventually ... and it’s forever.

Everyone.

That’s why existence needs an analog patch.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:25 am

The more the discoveries of quantum mechanics, and relativity are beginning to be realized as essential structural elements of how things are, the more that comes closer to the egoless analogy of the soul.

The idea of the soul could be a manifestation of high energy fields, that interact with lower ones in ways which behave in similar manner.

This may not be a far fetched representation .
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:43 am

We need to rethink heaven (& hell), because hurting does not equate to hell or negate heaven. God is basically synonymous with heaven, and his ultimate demonstration of himself was the cross. So. Count it all joy, as long as it is in line with Golden Rule love (don’t know? ask them!).
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:01 am

Hell is defined on a continuum of, “I don’t want this to be happening”

Empaths can NEVER enter heaven. EVER.

Your God/Cross stuff is delusional.

Existence needs to be patched so that empaths aren’t eternally damned unless they get sociopathic. And then there’s all the sociopaths who didn’t make it to heaven, who pull the sociopaths in heaven down.

That also needs to be patched.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:04 am

I would say hell is that mental space you shoot the arrow into despite believing there is no mark… when you are surrounded by it from within and without.

“Empaths can NEVER enter heaven. EVER.”

You can’t enter what you’re already in.

“Your God/Cross stuff is delusional.”

The cross is a historical fact. Ask Bart Ehrman. He’s not completely wrong about *everything*.

“Existence needs to be patched so that empaths aren’t eternally damned unless they get sociopathic.”

How about we let folks decide to accept God’s love? You know… some empaths do get kinda sociopathic when they are overwhelmed. They’re called INFJs. They’ve also been known to be world changers, but. It’s like taking up the cross.

“And then there’s all the sociopaths who didn’t make it to heaven, who pull the sociopaths in heaven down.”

Only God can really save you from drowning. Sometimes he uses other people who used to be drowning & sometimes … forget how to swim.

“That also needs to be patched.”

The hell it doesn’t :-)
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:19 am

You can’t think straight.

God and human god kings are immediately exposed as frauds if anyone hurts for any reason:

...If the hell spectrum even exists for any being.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:20 am

When it comes to love… Wouldn’t you think that someone who ran away at the first sign of conflict or pain is the fraud?
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:23 am

Ichthus77 wrote:When it comes to love… Wouldn’t you think that someone who ran away at the first sign of conflict or pain is the fraud?


Why is love pain?

Why does god abuse those he loves?

Don’t you get it yet?

Everyone DESERVES to get everything that they always want FOREVER at the expense of nobody.

That’s possible to do.
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The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:28 am

Unconditional love (free of inclination) can never be deserved, but it can also never be forced on us. So hell has be a viable option in order for unconditional love to be a choice.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:34 am

Ichthus77 wrote:Unconditional love (free of inclination) can never be deserved, but it can also never be forced on us. So hell has be a viable option in order for unconditional love to be a choice.


No. None of that’s true. All you need is otherness to perceive ... not dichotomies like “there must be evil for there to be good”.

Evil is everything right now. Anything violating the pleasurable exclusive access problem always has been, is and will always be the root of all evil.

God is the root of all evil. The cruelty of his martyrdom is mind blowing.

You’d think a Christian would be smart enough to figure out the world devolved over the last 2000 years.

Not the messiah.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:47 am

I’ve said before that evil is not the opposite of good (all dichotomies are false, because no contradictions can play) but is instead a privation of it and requires good in order to exist. Good… the mark surrounding you. Love.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:44 am

Again, there are 3 not 2 realms, the middle is what Catholics call purgatory, and to transverse realms into only two: heaven , bell, is to bring the notion down into a duplicity of nominalism. Who, in this day and age can equivocate absolutes like good and evil?

The real fact is that most if not all of us need purging in a Greg area of many shades, and to dismiss this and other sources , the Tibetan Book of Dead among others, is exactly what a positivism has done to this world, namely preaching old worn out dialectical forms, as ways to approach the near unapproachable.

Next thing , the convenience of avoiding any mention of a spiritual world, gaining popularity even among those physists, with improved skills of interpretation.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:52 am

Evil cannot be an absolute because it requires Good to exist in order to be its privation.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:53 am

This is probably why C.S. Lewis wrote the great divorce the way he did. Been a while since I read it.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:09 am

All you need is otherness to perceive ...
- Ec

Let’s talk about this & dump the rest. If to perceive is to be, you need otherness to be. But you also need to be this otherness. AND like it. That’s 3 honey chile.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:39 am

Ichthus77 wrote:
All you need is otherness to perceive ...
- Ec

Let’s talk about this & dump the rest. If to perceive is to be, you need otherness to be. But you also need to be this otherness. AND like it. That’s 3 honey chile.


If anything is messed up it implies a perfect standard.

To survive… for an other… the boy must grow to be a warrior… for an other. He must learn this resilience from The Father.

Love is not (just) a feeling/emotion, so it can be done despite pain/suffering, and that is the sort of joy, peace, and wholeness that is resilient despite circumstances.

You can’t become strong or develop deeper roots if you are sheltered from the wind. True power makes free. We are not caged pets. We are made strong when we master the elements in us with love that overcomes

The highest highs and the lowest lows of this world do not come close to touching the complexity who birthed and sustains it and loves it despite its imperfection.

Connectionism is us liking ideas like the tongue tastes food rather than wolfing it.

The Idea… the most freely like-able idea we’re born liking.

Yeah. We were not meant to be alone. But if we are not united with the source of life, together, we valuate out of alignment, and are crushed under the weight only the Original can bear. Allowing him to bear it and give us a new heart that is resilient but loves… it’s the only way out of hell.
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Re: Hell awaits you if....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:04 pm

Heaven and hell are binary.

Heaven is what you want, hell is what you don’t want.

For some people, ‘purgatory’ and or grey areas are hell.

Heaven and hell are unique to each being. Someone’s hell may be another’s heaven and vice versa.

Since we know that if anyone is in hell, empaths can never be in heaven (eternal damnation for being kind and feeling more than others)... it’s a no brainer that existence is currently evil at its core.

Hell is a continuum. Heaven is not a continuum, there are not better or worse heavens.

The people in hell are in hell. Empaths are always in hell. The sociopaths in heaven eventually get dragged down from heaven to hell by the sociopaths in hell.

Why the drama? For some people, drama is hell. For some people, drama is heaven.

Why do you get to experience drama so you get your heaven at the exclusion forever of the beings not into drama.

Drama is exclusivity at its core.
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The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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