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Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:30 pm

.........

The Bible?
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:10 pm

I want to discuss the red letter words of Jesus in the NT, specifically as pertains to heaven & hell. Read the link in the OP of my “Good News of the Kingdom” thread for a refresher.

Ecmandu said:
Jesus, not being a philosopher, did not say that consent violation is the only problem in existence.

Maybe he walked on water.

That makes the sin even worse.

Then he said that the GREATEST sin is attributing his works to the opposite of god. The ‘devil’.

It sounds demonic to me that he was too scared to say that when people have things happen to them that they don’t want to have happen to them is the only sin in existence ...

Why? Because it destroys the narrative of the unquestioned king.

Jesus talks about hell many times in the NT.

According to the NT, Jesus sees existence in three realms, heaven, earth and hell.

This is ALL canonical.

Jesus then states that heaven and earth shall pass.

He never states that hell will pass.

This is basic logic: all believers in Jesus spirit go to hell forever.

Remember? “those who believe in me shall not perish, but have ever lasting life”

This is all canonical and it’s all basic logic.

What’s the biggest problem in existence again?

Consent violation.

Jesus was insane.

If Jesus has walked in water and resurrected and stated, “the biggest problem in life is consent violation.”

The world would be better and god would have been exposed.

The discussion of consent is in its infancy as a meta topic.

That’s not my fault.

I’m not trying to hurt people.

I see the last age that we’ll ever have as what I call, “the age of discussing consent”

The former age was “the Information Age.”
- Ecmandu

See also this vid: https://youtu.be/ExeoQjLYIys

In the video you say no one has ever talked about consent violation until you (6:37, 7:56). In the quote you basically say no one is a philosopher unless they’ve brought it up (you don’t think Jesus did, so you don’t think he’s a philosopher—but one version of the Golden Rule, which he calls the sum of the Law & Prophets, is not to do to others what you don’t want done to you), but it’s in its infancy (but the royal law of love, another version of the Golden Rule, is recorded in Leviticus 19:18). So, in the video, do you think you’re the only philosopher? It’s fine to adapt your view, but usually in a particular moment, you only hold one iteration. Which one do you hold?

In the video you distinguish between heaven and life - what is your evidence that Jesus makes your distinction?

In both the video and the quote you say heaven/earth pass away, but hell doesn’t, so we’re all doomed to hell. But if hell is just heaven people don’t want, and he also said his words will never pass away, and there will also be a new heaven/earth… you’re wrong on many levels.

Here’s a question. You say that not teaching people right from wrong or whatever is why we’re in the shape we’re in today. Others would say (like Paul in the NT) that giving people rules made people want to violate them…gave them ideas of stuff to do wrong. What are your thoughts on that? You seem to be saying you don’t wanna be left in ignorance so that you can avoid things. But if you were left in ignorance would you not know what you were missing? Do you think God would’ve been a dictator to leave us in ignorance? Because Christians believe God allowed us to learn right from wrong by giving us a choice to obey him (or the transcultural Golden Rule law written on our hearts) or not. We could’ve gone on blissfully ignorant forever - do you think that would have been better? Would we still have been able to appreciate beauty-despite-shit?

If we all look inside of ourselves, and ask each other to do the same, and have a conversation about “Do you want this to be happening to you?” (speaking your language to you) … We will accomplish what Jesus did on the cross and commands us to do in taking up our cross. We will be Jesus’ body … his hands and feet. That’s what church means. Not a building. That’s why he says the kingdom of heaven/God (REAL) is inside you. When it’s inside, it bears fruit…incarnates. Like decent blood oranges jk. But preferably not wind eggs, in any case. :)

Have you quietly narrowed the three structural problem(s) down to one? Please esplain.

Yes, it’s crazy. Crazy Good!

Jesus asked and answered lots of questions, and said to keep asking, seeking, & knocking while we can, because eventually all will be revealed and we won’t have any questions then. We’ll do the Sam Kenison… ok ok ok. But what if we didn’t wait until the end of this life to finally get it?

You are mistaken about the unforgivable sin. Review my good news of the kingdom link in the OP of that thread.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:43 pm

Ichthus.

I’m going to make this stupid simple to you.

Nobody before me stated that the biggest problem for all beings is the, “I don’t want this to be happening to me” problem.

Do I have an ego about it?

No. I’m fucking furious.

I’m working with it as it sits.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:53 pm

Alright then.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:04 pm

Ichthus.

I really don’t think you understand.

The war is about whether heaven exists or not.

I’m tired of hearing all your post modern shit and your stupidity.

Ask yourself this.

“Does something here bother me?”
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:26 pm

I have never been more bothered in my life. Now what?
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:43 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:I have never been more bothered in my life. Now what?


I wasn’t directing all that message to you.

Existence has to be reimagined.

Do you have any clue how many wonderful women want to fuck me in my personal life?

I’m a hyper sexual. Fuck. I even have asexuals hitting on me.

I was sent here for two reasons.

I’m the hyper empath. Doesn’t mean much if you have no desire.

I was also sent here because I know the pain that exclusive nudity and sex causes others.

Once I realized the problem. I stopped remote controlling everyone.

An infinite number of us (with powers similar to my own) can remote control a whole species easily.

The theory was... if you sent the hyperempath...

They’d hurt if they did this.

The theory was true.

So. I got on task.

My job is to patch existence so an infinite number of us never have to return here again.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:47 pm

Take me with you? Estimated time of departure?
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:47 pm

Ecmandu wrote:My job is to patch existence so an infinite number of us never have to return here again.



how is this your job?
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:11 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:My job is to patch existence so an infinite number of us never have to return here again.



how is this your job?


I was picked for this job because I wouldn’t get distracted... unlike others *ahem*.

You see... people rarely think in terms of infinity here.

All of us always got what we wanted when we wanted it...

There was a split between analog and digital worlds.

Then analog corrupted the digital.

All of us were analog, our universes were digital.

We decided we had to patch analog with analog to fix the problem. One thing we discussed is that all of us could easily remote control this world to our desire, and we’d get lost in it and not send the analog patch.

Hyper empaths always feel hurt when someone else is hurt. The theory was, I’d be the most likely to ‘wake up’.

Ask yourself this mr. r. Is there something that bothers you here?

You’re dealing with an infinite number of beings who always get their way.

Our second plan is to send the disempowerers here if I don’t succeed. They’ll make everyone stop moving, speaking or thinking. We have beings who can feed you food and water by simply breathing.

In short... I’m the nice one.

The patch needs to be sent analog to analog.

I talk to all of you to gather data on what your heavens are for you.

Much different than our heavens.

You like to conquer. And so, eventually, you will be conquered.

The patch is designed to bring everyone with us who wants to leave.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:18 pm

That’s a metanarrative oddly similar to the Christian one, Ec. Please answer my first reply in detail.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:22 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:My job is to patch existence so an infinite number of us never have to return here again.



how is this your job?



Ask yourself this mr. r. Is there something that bothers you here?



not at all. i feel great
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:30 pm

Mr. R wrote:

“not at all. i feel great”

You have no clue how many beings are going to send you to hell for saying that.

Not us. We’re coming and going.

The best answer in a realm like this one, is, “just moving through it”. Or “just doing my thing”.

The viscousness that will come at you is not something you want to know. But. You’re stubborn.

Not for me to correct you. Just for me to solve you.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:47 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:…Please answer my first reply in detail.


You don’t because you can’t, so you won’t.

Those who can’t, talk to Mr. R.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:02 am

There is no unforgivable sin.

...It’s just how many friends you have or don’t have that determine the severity of hell realms.

You wrote lots of apologetics for the quotes of Jesus.

Ask yourself again this simple question:

“Does something bother me?”

Like a child starving in Haiti?

What can you do about it?

Nothing.

You’re correct.

What did Jesus do about it 2000 years ago?

Nothing.

You’re correct.

If you want to live in a world like this with Jesus as your savior... forever... we’ll patch that for you.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:27 am

Or… we could let God use us to change it, starting from the inside, & working out from there.

The sooner the better, Ec. Delaying the inevitable just prolongs suffering.

Make up your mind, dude. It can’t be put all on the Messiah, so… that means us little christs gotta step up, right?
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:31 am

Ichthus77 wrote:Or… we could let God use us to change it, starting from the inside, & working out from there.

The sooner the better, Ec. Delaying the inevitable just prolongs suffering.

Make up your mind, dude. It can’t be put all on the Messiah, so… that means us little christs gotta step up, right?


You’re unraveling Ichthus.

I’d never punish you to an eternity with Jesus or God.

I’m not that cruel.

You do have a fetish though. It may last billions of years.

I just have to figure out how you can live that fetish with people of your kind.

I’m not of your kind. Anyone like me knows universes never work with more than one actual person.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:33 am

Fine.
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:32 am

Ichthus77 wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:…Please answer my first reply in detail.


You don’t because you can’t, so you won’t.

Those who can’t, talk to Mr. R.



to be fair other people talk to me too
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:41 am

You don’t mind I treated you as a means to a catchy end, do ya?
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Re: Ichthus, what do you want to discuss?

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:05 pm

Fall semester ends 12/16/22. Apologies if I do not reply immediately.

“In choosing myself, I choose the other.”
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“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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