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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:49 am

I stole that from War Games. I’m not that clever.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:57 am

Ichthus77 wrote:You just want to date their bodies (NOT their minds—only one other mind) with your mind? How do you avoid not thinking of the actual mind?

What if your problem was wanting their minds, not their bodies?

Think you have to be careful…

Sometimes the only way to win is not to play.


That’s not how it works.

A reflected mind is a perfect image of them.

If you don’t change the mirror. It’s them, 100%.

They may not like you at all.

But. You can toggle love. When you do this, they’re exactly the same, but their love switch is turned on to you.

Nobody gets hurt.

Remember... they’re not sensate or sentient.
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The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:11 am

That steps over the consent line. Thoughts are internal actions. You become and you do what you dwell on.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:13 am

You have to say no to thoughts like that. Saying yes makes them part of your character or identity. In reality, you can’t pretend forever.
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:06 am

You really don’t get it.

It’s impossible to violate the consent of a being that has no thoughts or senses.

Violate the consent of a being in a mirror while shattering the mirror with your fist. Impossible.

They’re not sensory or feeling beings on the other side.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:24 am

So… you’re looking in the mirror at yourself without theory of mind & toggling the mind/love switch on so you can love yourself? Let’s assume you don’t mean date. That reminds me of a really funny fight I had with my ex. Stupid funny. Funny in the middle of stupid. Didn’t make the stupid worth it, but I’ll take the funny.

You wouldn’t WANT to shatter the mirror if you did that.

Sooooo anywhayzz. How about that Mar-a-Lago communism scandal?
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:30 am

No. It’s not YOU.

It’s a REFLECTION of THEIR spirit.

It’s a reflection of the entire universe.

The fidelity is perfect.

I’ve been explaining this to you for 3 months.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:39 am

I wasn’t really listening or understanding, and I’m still not understanding… are you? Disembodied, but visible (like a hologram?)? Unconscious spirit (what… asleep?)? These are not things that make automatic sense together. Also: How does it manifest as a reflection? How do you sense it? How does a being without sense… love?… what kind of love are you after? Why would you want to fake-harm it?
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:44 am

When you say entire universe & fidelity you begin to sound like you’re talking about the holographic universe reduced to absurdity.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:50 am

Fuck.

I’ve literally explained all this to you 100 times.

When you look in a mirror. It’s a perfect reflection of you ... but can’t be hurt.

Then... you toggle your reflection off and you see everything behind you without you in it.

Then you put a mirror behind that and you see everything in front without you in it.

Now. You fucking ramp up the dimensions to infinite...

REFLECTING every fucking spirit in existence, (including gods)... then you’re in a reality where it’s IMPOSSIBLE to hurt ANY being.

They all serve you... without you or them being able to be hurt no matter what’s done.

When you touch a mirror, you feel something on your finger... the being on the other side doesn’t.

When you look in a mirror, the being on the other side can’t see.

Then you use synesthesia to map all your senses to touch and sight.

That means all touch and feelings and emotions.

You process the synesthesia through your subconscious mind to project a reflected reality to your individual desire; forever, without being able to possibly hurt a single being including yourself (forever) while always getting what you want (forever).
The purpose of life is to give everyone individually what they always want at the expense of no being - forever.

The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:35 am

Meanwhile, back on page 11, I’m eternally owning your ass right here:
https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... 6#p2881046
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:50 am

Ichthus77 wrote:So — unless you stop all sports ever — you’re suddenly okay violating pleasurable exclusive access by choosing to let a 5-year-old win a game lost by another 5-year-old? In choosing win/heaven, you always choose lose/hell! According to you.


None of that is true.

Winning and losing in a universe with actual beings is always a loss.

Winning or ‘losing’ in universes with only reflected beings doesn’t cause this problem.

Context.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:08 am

On the one hand I wanted to reply maybe losing isn’t the worst thing ever. On the other hand your alternative is… infinite… losing. Without possibility of. fricken.

And now it feels like Good Will Hunting. hm

3 months? It’s August 2022 now. You’ve lost all track of time. I have no idea when I first came back here but pretty sure it was end of 2021, & … now I’m curious how we … broke ice, or whatever (I did a search… I was a bitch in May 2021, came back in December to resume in a less bitchy fashion… both dates ironically significant… going to try & ignore that, per usual). We have been around & around about the 3 structural problems since shortly after, but first it was economics… so… obv it’s structural, but… if so widely applicable… problematic takes on a different… thingy.
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:30 pm

Ecmandu wrote:

Ichthus believes that anything without god is hell.


Well he/she may very well believe that. I think that that belief would depend on where someone is coming from - I mean where they were on their journey before NOW. If life at some point felt like a living hell, then life with God - having tasted God - can feel almost like heaven and without God could feel like hell. Think about it.

If a human gets everything they want without being able to hurt anyone, you are not with god, and that is hell.


Is this your perception or Ichthus' perception before I respond?

Ichthus is sick in the head
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“The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. Don't go back to sleep.”
― Rumi
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BE MELTING SNOW. WASH YOURSELF OF YOURSELF.

YOU WANDER FROM ROOM TO ROOM
HUNTING FOR THE DIAMOND NECKLACE
THAT IS ALREADY AROUND YOUR NECK!

DANCE UNTIL YOU SHATTER YOURSELF!

THERE IS A VOICE THAT DOESN'T USE WORDS. LISTEN!

LIFE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN HOLDING ON AND LETTING GO!

LET SILENCE TAKE YOU TO THE CORE OF LIFE!
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:12 pm

Ichthus is guilty of all crimes religious.

Ichthus wants to remove the individuals capacity to say to themselves, “something is bothering me” - simple self reporting. - Their power to think outside of the emperor.

This is where Ichthus really goes above and beyond...

Not only can a person not say they are bothered by something about life or notice someone else is bothered about something, they will be punished for it by the emperor who has all power and cannot be judged for anything. The emperor needs your heart and soul forever... do not judge the lord, your emperor, do not test the lord, your emperor. It gets even worse, and this is the part that scares Ichthus the most... that if a person is bothered by something, they can speak the ultimate truth to challenge the emperor... “if something bothers anyone, existence has never worked and isn’t working”

Or you will be smote into hell.
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The biggest problem of life is the, “hey, I don’t want this to be happening” problem for everyone.

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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:49 pm

oh good night nurse!

Ec always respawns as if we never had this discussion & I haven’t already beat the game a thousand times with one hand tied behind my back.

Cuz he knows I’ll play.

Well look at me walking away…

Not today, Ec! Not today.
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
- Irenaeus
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Meno_ » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:05 pm

That is what the Wheel of Life is all about,it never stops spinning, and where and when it dies, nobody knows.

It's a magical mystery tour, and everybody and Anyone could stop the spin, albeit for a split second abd/or for eternities apart.

What anyone does with it is everybody's guess.

Most cut it off by compartmentalizing. It by separating black and white from colored images.
When reduced to least shades of grey, there lies the imagination. Shadows don't do well in color.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:12 pm

What are you trying to say?
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:41 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:oh good night nurse!

Ec always respawns as if we never had this discussion & I haven’t already beat the game a thousand times with one hand tied behind my back.

Cuz he knows I’ll play.

Well look at me walking away…

Not today, Ec! Not today.


Oh. Now you’re pulling a mr. r.

I’m going to the basics.

Is anyone bothered by anything?

Can people be bothered by something who aren’t bothered now?

Is it possible for an empath to ever go to heaven no matter how decent they are as a person if anyone else is suffering? No. That’s eternal damnation for them right out the gate!

Can an empath masochist be who the self = other / golden rule is intended for?

These are questions that make you pull your hair out.

Jesus had no idea that empath masochists even existed. These were a primitive people... you have to understand that.

People have been sacrificing humans for favor of god for thousands of years before the Jesus story all over the world. Usually a willing virgin woman.

Jesus is special for resurrecting?

I resurrected. People have been resurrecting for thousands of years before Jesus.

If Jesus meant well, the worst possible sign was his resurrection or miracles ... why?

Because as the Buddhists know... ‘miracles’ mean nothing. Just right speech and behavior. Liberating all beings from suffering.

I actually disagree with Buddha on how this is accomplished.

These were a primitive people.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:42 pm

Solipsistic wet dream. I get it. *eyeroll*

We now return you to your previously scheduled shit show.
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“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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- Irenaeus
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:03 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Solipsistic wet dream. I get it. *eyeroll*

We now return you to your previously scheduled shit show.


For 1: hyperdimensional mirror realities are not solipsistic

For 2: you and people like you only feel pleasure at actual winners and losers... which means I have to make a different patch to accommodate you.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:02 pm

“a private heaven after one realizes a universe with more than one person in it doesn’t work forever”

… not solipsistic?
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“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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- Irenaeus
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:05 pm

So, more like Castaway?

ok…

Already got my Wilson! :p
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“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:14 pm

reflected beings who can love as individuals… but are only reflected….

you don’t think that’s solipsism?

it won’t work. if they are merely reflected, they can’t choose to love/win (or choose to lose…)…

What do you think about “It is better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all”?

I think losing the crap love the world gives means gaining the sort of love God gives and never takes away. Good Will Hunting aside.
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:06 am

I haven’t read or listened to the whole poem about love being worth loss… on his best friend, fiancé to his sister…

listen (line is in part 3) https://youtu.be/jiQ7O9hwuu4
read excerpt (line at end) https://poets.org/poem/memoriam-h-h

Sneaking suspicion you’re already familiar.
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