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For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:01 pm

If god created everything, then god intentionally created blasphemy.

This type of god you describe...

Actually sat down and thought (Having a choice) , “I think blasphemy is a great idea.” This god didn’t have to do it. This god just thought torment was cool. Eternal torment, or for that matter, any torment.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:47 pm

All you’re really giving is a good argument for how God is not a dictator …because you don’t understand what the unforgivable sin actually is. You also don’t get heaven and hell correctly because you think heaven is getting whatever you want forever. So you have some work to do …back over at your other thread you fled from like a little girl.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:34 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:All you’re really giving is a good argument for how God is not a dictator …because you don’t understand what the unforgivable sin actually is. You also don’t get heaven and hell correctly because you think heaven is getting whatever you want forever. So you have some work to do …back over at your other thread you fled from like a little girl.


No. You just trolled. There was nothing to respond to.

The only massive religion without the concept of blasphemy is Hinduism.

But you argue for Christianity.

You also argue that everyone who doesn’t want to go to hell forever is a coward.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:37 pm

Well. At least you’re entertaining.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:40 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Well. At least you’re entertaining.


See. You’re trolling again.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:43 pm

That’s like the sky calling the water blue.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:51 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:That’s like the sky calling the water blue.


That’s also trolling.

Ichthus. ILP will die because of you.

You have a way with non sequiturs that end discussion.

One of your most memorable but by far not the only one, is when I gave epicuruses disproof of god from before Jesus by 300 years... and you replied that you can’t learn anything.

I know this is funny to you.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:54 pm

I shared that same meme a thousand times.

What’s next? Euthyphro as if you thunk it up for the first time ever?
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:54 pm

double post
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:57 pm

Epicurus is like me....

Takes in trillions upon trillions of bits of information and formulated something so succinct and perfect, not a single word can be changed. Absolute genius.

Mine is this...

Is anything bothering you or anyone else?

Thus. God doesn’t exist.

But you, as a psychopath, call people who are bothered... weak cowards.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:01 pm

In your video I linked to back in the other thread (that you fled like a little girl) you said that if Jesus had offered everlasting heaven instead of life you would’ve been there without even thinking (or something). Who is the psychopath now? In your terms, of course.

Everyone. Heh.

But again… what is your evidence heaven & life mean different things to Jesus? Again: See my Good News of the Kingdom link in OP to that (my) thread for a refresher.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:10 pm

I said I’d be the first in line like EVERYONE.

I said that’s a really big promise.

Now you’re misquoting me?

Ichthus. Let’s be perfectly honest here.

You’re evil. You enjoy it.

You’re a coward. You do what existence does, just like a monkey.... monkey see, monkey do.

People who don’t mimic existence don’t do what all the monkeys do.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:11 pm

Kierkegaard distinguishes between Being and existence. What say you to that?
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:13 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Kierkegaard distinguishes between Being and existence. What say you to that?


He’s just saying existence in totality is not sentient.

If his meaning is different than that... he’s a moron.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:15 pm

Pardon me. I need to excuse myself.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:40 pm

Shifted to here, before & a little after:
https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... 0#p2878680

but it’s buried
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:42 pm

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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:46 pm

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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:06 pm

Ichthus.

I’ve already discussed all of that with you and you trolled meaningless shit when those topics started shattering your beliefs... and then the thread stopped.
You avoided big time that god broke his covenant with Moses by sacrificing Jesus for all our sin.

You avoided that people just wanted to be sent to their personal heavens forever from god, not some dude nailed to a stick who did that for nobody.

If you want to have a real discussion...

List all your grievances that you still have here in one post, and I’ll reply to them all.

You’re not an idiot.

I know that you know that a messiah or god would have come here and apologized to all of us for the drama and forgave us all and sent us to our personal infinite heavens.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:20 pm

My brain can do one thing at a time right now. Right now, this one thing:

Can you be more specific on where God forbid the sacrifice … wait … you mean human sacrifice, right?

Jesus gave his own life. From the perspective of those who executed him, it was not a religious ritual.

You’re getting hung up on something the way the Pharisees got hung up on the Sabbath rules.

I’ll come back if I reach the top of today’s homework mountain before my brain peters out.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:40 pm

Ok. Let’s get into this.

Abraham was the first story where God decided human sacrifice was wrong.

He told Abraham to sacrifice his son... and decided at the last moment to tell him not to.

Abraham didn’t kill his son as a sacrifice to God.

What we know from this is that God made a decision to prove to Abraham that god chooses against human sacrifice at the last moment for blood atonement.

If god wanted the blood atonement, he’d never have yelled at Abraham at the last moment not to kill his son on an alter.

Abraham obeyed god and didn’t kill his son.

That’s a covenant. God chose for the beginning of his statement upon the world that human sacrifice is not his will.

Abraham is the beginning of gods covenant.

The father of the Jewish people.

Abraham is Moses’ great grandfather times 6.

The first covenant was Abraham.

God chose Abraham to obey not killing people for a sacrifice to god.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:53 pm

Ec,


There is a huge understated difference here, fir it's one thing to sacrifice another, from sacrificing (His)self. Christ really was predominantly understood as God Himself, rather than some other man.

This is essentially not merely a matter of factual speculation
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:06 pm

Meno_ wrote:Ec,


There is a huge understated difference here, fir it's one thing to sacrifice another, from sacrificing (His)self. Christ really was predominantly understood as God Himself, rather than some other man.

This is essentially not merely a matter of factual speculation


It’s very straight forward. The father of Israel’s story was about god deciding to never do blood sacrifice to god again.

So... god sacrificed his blood to himself? (Commuted suicide to atone for all sin?!?!?!). That’s crazy-talk. It’s even crazier when god pops back up after committing suicide to atone and says... “just kidding! It’s impossible to kill me, but wow, I feel so much better about myself for hurting everyone now.”

There’s a very good reason that Jews don’t see Jesus as their predicted messiah. Jesus fits 0% of the criteria from the Old Testament. The Old Testament is read by Jews not in cryptic sense, but in plain sense...

It’s not even true if you read it cryptically. There is zero percent for Christ to be the Jewish messiah.

For one: the Jewish messiah was said not to be a miracle worker.

Jews don’t believe in the trinity as well. To the Jewish readings, there are no gods equal or above the one god.

The Jewish messiah also is predicted to convince everyone simultaneously ... its impossible from Jewish scripture for someone to disagree and have that be the messiah.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:27 pm

Yes and no. He did not sacrafice Himself, only His sentiment , created part of Himself, And not for measures of atonement, but to prove His presence through faith in the miracle of creation.

Again a subtlety easily missed. Generalities can only be expressed in analogies, and they do not offer the absolute proof that nominal perceptions require.
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Re: For you god weirdos....

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:25 am

Meno_ wrote:Yes and no. He did not sacrafice Himself, only His sentiment , created part of Himself, And not for measures of atonement, but to prove His presence through faith in the miracle of creation.

Again a subtlety easily missed. Generalities can only be expressed in analogies, and they do not offer the absolute proof that nominal perceptions require.


Meno. You’re talking out your ass... making shit up.

You know I’m an atheist.

I’m critiquing the Jewish understanding of god against their prophets and Jesus’ life.

The actual plain reading of text.

Now. “The father is in me and I am in the father, this is an ineffable mystery”. (Throwing a couple passages together to make one quote).

So think about this...

The father in Jesus can send us all to our personalized eternal heavens. The father in Jesus can prevent his own crucifixion. Not preventing it is the same as suicide. But it’s worse. God already knows god can’t die... so there was never a sacrifice.

So why is it so important for people to say that god made a sacrifice when a sacrifice is impossible for god?

Drama?

Is god just a drama queen?

Reading the whole bible, it sure looks like it.
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