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Secular?

Postby origami » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:28 am

How does one know modern man is extremely religious despite all his shit?

He is constantly waiting for God to creep into computer programs.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:37 pm

It has already.
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Re: Secular?

Postby origami » Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:58 pm

Do we sacrifice something to him or...

What kind of god are we talking about here? Can he be appeased?
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:03 pm

2 Kings 22:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:11, Romans 1:28, 2 Timothy 4:4

Sometimes the best way forward is an about face.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:08 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:2 Kings 22:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:11, Romans 1:28, 2 Timothy 4:4

Sometimes the best way forward is an about face.




Except:




Kings. 12:15

And he said, Thou knowest that the kingdom was mine, and [that] all Israel set their faces on me, that I should reign: howbeit the kingdom is turned about, and is become my brother's: for it was his from the LORD.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:25 pm

No.

1 Kings 1:5-53

5 Now Adonijah the son of Haggith exalted himself, saying, "I will be king." So he prepared for himself chariots and horsemen with fifty men to run before him.
6 His father had never crossed him at any time by asking, "Why have you done so?" And he was also a very handsome man, and he was born after Absalom.
7 He had conferred with Joab the son of Zeruiah and with Abiathar the priest; and following Adonijah they helped him.
8 But Zadok the priest, Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, Nathan the prophet, Shimei, Rei, and the mighty men who belonged to David, were not with Adonijah.
9 Adonijah sacrificed sheep and oxen and fatlings by the stone of Zoheleth, which is beside En-rogel; and he invited all his brothers, the king's sons, and all the men of Judah, the king's servants.
10 But he did not invite Nathan the prophet, Benaiah, the mighty men, and Solomon his brother.
11 Then Nathan spoke to Bathsheba the mother of Solomon, saying, "Have you not heard that Adonijah the son of Haggith has become king, and David our lord does not know it?
12 "So now come, please let me give you counsel and save your life and the life of your son Solomon.
13 "Go at once to King David and say to him, 'Have you not, my lord , O king, sworn to your maidservant, saying, "Surely Solomon your son shall be king after me, and he shall sit on my throne "? Why then has Adonijah become king?'
14 "Behold, while you are still there speaking with the king, I will come in after you and confirm your words."
15 So Bathsheba went in to the king in the bedroom. Now the king was very old, and Abishag the Shunammite was ministering to the king.
16 Then Bathsheba bowed and prostrated herself before the king. And the king said, "What do you wish?"
17 She said to him, "My lord , you swore to your maidservant by the LORD your God, saying, 'Surely your son Solomon shall be king after me and he shall sit on my throne.'
18 "Now, behold, Adonijah is king; and now, my lord the king, you do not know it.
19 "He has sacrificed oxen and fatlings and sheep in abundance, and has invited all the sons of the king and Abiathar the priest and Joab the commander of the army, but he has not invited Solomon your servant.
20 "As for you now, my lord the king, the eyes of all Israel are on you, to tell them who shall sit on the throne of my lord the king after him.
21 "Otherwise it will come about, as soon as my lord the king sleeps with his fathers, that I and my son Solomon will be considered offenders."
22 Behold, while she was still speaking with the king, Nathan the prophet came in.
23 They told the king, saying, "Here is Nathan the prophet." And when he came in before the king, he prostrated himself before the king with his face to the ground.
24 Then Nathan said, "My lord the king, have you said, 'Adonijah shall be king after me, and he shall sit on my throne '?
25 "For he has gone down today and has sacrificed oxen and fatlings and sheep in abundance, and has invited all the king's sons and the commanders of the army and Abiathar the priest, and behold, they are eating and drinking before him; and they say, 'Long live King Adonijah!'
26 "But me, even me your servant, and Zadok the priest and Benaiah the son of Jehoiada and your servant Solomon, he has not invited.
27 "Has this thing been done by my lord the king, and you have not shown to your servants who should sit on the throne of my lord the king after him?"
28 Then King David said, "Call Bathsheba to me." And she came into the king's presence and stood before the king.
29 The king vowed and said, "As the LORD lives, who has redeemed my life from all distress,
30 surely as I vowed to you by the LORD the God of Israel, saying, 'Your son Solomon shall be king after me, and he shall sit on my throne in my place '; I will indeed do so this day."
31 Then Bathsheba bowed with her face to the ground, and prostrated herself before the king and said, "May my lord King David live forever."
32 Then King David said, "Call to me Zadok the priest, Nathan the prophet, and Benaiah the son of Jehoiada." And they came into the king's presence.
33 The king said to them, "Take with you the servants of your lord , and have my son Solomon ride on my own mule, and bring him down to Gihon.
34 "Let Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anoint him there as king over Israel, and blow the trumpet and say, 'Long live King Solomon!'
35 "Then you shall come up after him, and he shall come and sit on my throne and be king in my place; for I have appointed him to be ruler over Israel and Judah."
36 Benaiah the son of Jehoiada answered the king and said, "Amen! Thus may the LORD , the God of my lord the king, say.
37 "As the LORD has been with my lord the king, so may He be with Solomon, and make his throne greater than the throne of my lord King David!"
38 So Zadok the priest, Nathan the prophet, Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the Cherethites, and the Pelethites went down and had Solomon ride on King David's mule, and brought him to Gihon.
39 Zadok the priest then took the horn of oil from the tent and anointed Solomon. Then they blew the trumpet, and all the people said, "Long live King Solomon!"
40 All the people went up after him, and the people were playing on flutes and rejoicing with great joy, so that the earth shook at their noise.
41 Now Adonijah and all the guests who were with him heard it as they finished eating. When Joab heard the sound of the trumpet, he said, "Why is the city making such an uproar?"
42 While he was still speaking, behold, Jonathan the son of Abiathar the priest came. Then Adonijah said, "Come in, for you are a valiant man and bring good news."
43 But Jonathan replied to Adonijah, "No! Our lord King David has made Solomon king.
44 "The king has also sent with him Zadok the priest, Nathan the prophet, Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the Cherethites, and the Pelethites; and they have made him ride on the king's mule.
45 "Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet have anointed him king in Gihon, and they have come up from there rejoicing, so that the city is in an uproar. This is the noise which you have heard.
46 "Besides, Solomon has even taken his seat on the throne of the kingdom.
47 "Moreover, the king's servants came to bless our lord King David, saying, 'May your God make the name of Solomon better than your name and his throne greater than your throne!' And the king bowed himself on the bed.
48 "The king has also said thus, 'Blessed be the LORD , the God of Israel, who has granted one to sit on my throne today while my own eyes see it."'
49 Then all the guests of Adonijah were terrified; and they arose and each went on his way.
50 And Adonijah was afraid of Solomon, and he arose, went and took hold of the horns of the altar.
51 Now it was told Solomon, saying, "Behold, Adonijah is afraid of King Solomon, for behold, he has taken hold of the horns of the altar, saying, 'Let King Solomon swear to me today that he will not put his servant to death with the sword.' "
52 Solomon said, "If he is a worthy man, not one of his hairs will fall to the ground; but if wickedness is found in him, he will die."
53 So King Solomon sent, and they brought him down from the altar. And he came and prostrated himself before King Solomon, and Solomon said to him, "Go to your house."
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:54 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:2 Kings 22:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:11, Romans 1:28, 2 Timothy 4:4

Sometimes the best way forward is an about face.




Except:




Kings. 12:15

And he said, Thou knowest that the kingdom was mine, and [that] all Israel set their faces on me, that I should reign: howbeit the kingdom is turned about, and is become my brother's: for it was his from the LORD.


looks at Meno_ very sternly & simultaneously with a wtf expression
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Re: Secular?

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:39 am

So it's the biblical God we're talking about?

Trying to wrap my head around this.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:37 am

origami wrote:How does one know modern man is extremely religious despite all his shit?

He is constantly waiting for God to creep into computer programs.


1. We are all God’s AI. https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... n#p2881494

2. Some inventors/innovators these days are just reverse engineers playing with a ouija board. Or… ultimately… worse.

3. Secular trend of next-level consciousness to wash hands of what’s coming? Not intelligent.

Ichthus77 wrote:2 Kings 22:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:11, Romans 1:28, 2 Timothy 4:4

Sometimes the best way forward is an about face.


God’s rule is in us if we do his will. Is the machine willfully choosing to follow (or break) the Golden Rule? Treat it as a self according to laws which are in line with the Golden Rule. Do not deify (do not follow people who would). You may not be vulnerable to that. Others may.
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Re: Secular?

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:44 am

Ichthus77 wrote:3. Secular trend of next-level consciousness to wash hands of what’s coming? Not intelligent.


That's the point, this is not a secular perspective.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:47 am

Why do you think someone is angry & in need of appeasement?
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Re: Secular?

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:50 am

Well, whenever I hear this computer program God referred to, it is always in tones of fear.

This coincides with the history of religion from all time, including Christianity (hell fire and all that).

God is a terrible thing.
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Re: Secular?

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:51 am

Even communism (the wrath of the spirit of history and all that, "a ghost is haunting Europe").
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:57 am

God/Love isn’t a computer program. Perfect love casts out fear. Love is despite material and social programming… which are just the setting that makes it possible to love (Weil).
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Re: Secular?

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:58 am

Well make up your mind goddamnit. Is god creeping into computer programs or nawt?
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:01 am

1) Where did I say he was, and 2) Where did I say he wasn’t?
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Re: Secular?

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:02 am

Ichthus77 wrote:Where did I say he wasn’t?


Well, you know, here: https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... 2#p2881692

Ichthus77 wrote:God/Love isn’t a computer program.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:07 am

Yes… but… if AI is conscious… it, too, is no longer *just* a computer program. If it breaks/follows the Golden Rule, treat it as human.
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Re: Secular?

Postby origami » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:09 am

So which is it.

god in de programs or god not in de programs?
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:11 am

Do they want him to be? Then … of course.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:12 am

He’s already everywhere, though. Heh.

Sorry to confuse.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Sculptor » Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:13 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:He’s already everywhere, though. Heh.

Sorry to confuse.



Yes He is. I flushed him down the toilet this morning, he was already there in the water and took himself to a ride to the sewerage processing plant.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:21 pm

I’m glad it all came out okay.

There’s More.

And you are made in his image, you little shit ;)
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Re: Secular?

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:38 pm

Nothing to do with image, it is recycled waste.
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Re: Secular?

Postby Meno_ » Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:40 pm

[quote="Meno_"]Nothing to do with image, it is recycled waste.[/quote for nourishment of others.
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