That number makes no sense. It's completely at odds with census data, train records, gas supplied, and structures and equipment in the camps.
How does census data reveal who was killed? Where can I find all this uncontested evidence?
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That number makes no sense. It's completely at odds with census data, train records, gas supplied, and structures and equipment in the camps.
Yes, and this was the original source of resentment towards Jews. They denied humanity the nihilism they were using to deal with the world's reactions to their parasitism - their chosen survival strategy.Gloominary wrote:I make a distinction between Judaism and Christianity.
I see Judaism as a form of spiritual elitism, whereas I see Christianity as a form of spiritual egalitarianism.
Yes, in Judaism there is no after-life salvation, so they must create one on the earth. Their Messiah is money, their paradise is Utopia...forever in the "immanent" (Spinoza) future.Gloominary wrote:In Judaism, some individuals and tribes are essentially sinful, for whatever reasons, the quality of their body and soul, and are damned, and some individuals and tribes are essentially righteous, and are saved.
Whereas in Christianity we're all essentially sinful, yet we can all be saved.
One worships an idea/ideal, offering salvation - ideology.Gloominary wrote:In Judaism, it's good to be rich, moderate and marry, whereas in Christianity it's good to be poor, ascetic and celibate.
Nil, for the Orthodox Jew, is the goal. Armageddon. Their worship of death comes from their Egyptian masters.Gloominary wrote:]In Jewish end times, Jews will rule the world, whereas in Christian end times, while Jews will rule for a while, ultimately we'll be given new bodies and there'll be no distinction between Jew and gentile.
The metaphor of being "chosen" is that of themselves choosing an idealized version of themselves.Gloominary wrote:Jews consider themselves superior, because while they've been oppressed by many people, they're the chosen ones.
They are so because they engage reality via a proxy - a host. Typical of parasitical survival strategies.Gloominary wrote:While they're physically inept and unproductive, they consider themselves to be more spiritual, righteous and intellectual.
If you have X number of Jews before the war and Y number of Jews after the war, then that leads you to investigate why there is a difference. Y is a lower number in this particular case. What happened to those Jews?How does census data reveal who was killed?
Obviously you, or at least David Cole, is contesting the evidence.Where can I find all this uncontested evidence?
Modern historians suggest that without the mass transportation of the railways, the scale of the "Final Solution" would not have been possible.[4] The extermination of people targeted in the "Final Solution" was dependent on two factors: the capacity of the death camps to gas the victims and quickly dispose of their bodies, as well as the capacity of the railways to transport the victims from the ghettos to extermination camps. The most modern accurate numbers on the scale of the "Final Solution" still rely partly on shipping records of the German railways.
phyllo wrote:If you have X number of Jews before the war and Y number of Jews after the war, then that leads you to investigate why there is a difference. Y is a lower number in this particular case. What happened to those Jews? Many could have fled and relocated. Tried to view the censuses in Poland. The only relevant one online was taken in 1931, I doubt there was one taken during the war, and the next one that may have been taken was in 1950 but is not online. How did they get accurate numbers when the next census was taken 20 years later? I'm not buying into the 3 million Polish deaths hype.How does census data reveal who was killed?
(The same applies for non-Jews of course)Obviously you, or at least David Cole, is contesting the evidence.Where can I find all this uncontested evidence?
If you look at the IG Farben, then you have evidence of quantities of gas shipped. Why was so much gas ordered from IG Farben? What happened to it?
If you say that there no gas chambers then why produce and ship large quantities of gas? Are you talking about canned gas or the insecticide used to delouse the entire barracks and bedding?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben
The same goes for railway records. How do you account for the number of trains used? Military equipment and supplies and 13 million soldiers transportation.Modern historians suggest that without the mass transportation of the railways, the scale of the "Final Solution" would not have been possible.[4] The extermination of people targeted in the "Final Solution" was dependent on two factors: the capacity of the death camps to gas the victims and quickly dispose of their bodies, as well as the capacity of the railways to transport the victims from the ghettos to extermination camps. The most modern accurate numbers on the scale of the "Final Solution" still rely partly on shipping records of the German railways.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_trains
Because mass murder in their backyards makes people uncomfortable, fearful and aggressive. The process has to be kept hidden from the general population and the future victims.Why waste time and money shipping prisoners far away from where they reside? Why not erect gas chambers and crematoriums closer to the larger cities?
Revolt would be much more likely. They went quietly into the cattle cars because they believed that they were simply being relocated.There would be less of a chance of escape or revolt if extermination happened sooner.
That's accounted for in the calculations.Military equipment and supplies and 13 million soldiers transportation.
You don't need large quantities of gas to get rid of lice.Are you talking about canned gas or the insecticide used to delouse the entire barracks and bedding?
Yeah, you're not buying it. The question is why are you not buying it?Many could have fled and relocated. Tried to view the censuses in Poland. The only relevant one online was taken in 1931, I doubt there was one taken during the war, and the next one that may have been taken was in 1950 but is not online. How did they get accurate numbers when the next census was taken 20 years later? I'm not buying into the 3 million Polish deaths hype.
The sources are from all over Europe including Germany itself.To get a better picture use multiple sources, not only the official narrative of your own nation.
Cross reference and then compare them with your own understanding of life and reality.
Germany itself, you say?phyllo wrote:The sources are from all over Europe including Germany itself.To get a better picture use multiple sources, not only the official narrative of your own nation.
Cross reference and then compare them with your own understanding of life and reality.
So you think it's two conspiracies of communists and Jews.WendyDarling wrote:It isn't just a modern day Jewish conspiracy to inflate the numbers, I believe the communist soviets under Stalin made up a majority of the evidence which they didn't release or give access to most of it for 30/40 years. The Soviets wanted to be heroes, so what better way to look more heroic than to make the Germans look more and more evil with human soap and skin lampshades. Stalin's bizarre relationship with the Jews needs investigating. One year he spoke out on behalf of Jews against anti-semitism, the next year he assassinated groups of Jews. This happened throughout his rule. I think the longer he was in office, the more he understood how the Jews operate and the less he liked them for it.
Do you have any actual reasons for doubting the evidence or are you just dismissing it without reason?Aegean wrote:Germany itself, you say?phyllo wrote:The sources are from all over Europe including Germany itself.To get a better picture use multiple sources, not only the official narrative of your own nation.
Cross reference and then compare them with your own understanding of life and reality.
Well, imagine that.
You can't think of any reason to doubt it?
I can. Germany would be the least reliable source.
Are you this naïve, or do you play one on the internet?
I have neither channel on my TV.Aegean wrote:I bet you use FOX or CNN to find out how the US is promoting Democracy around the world.
Why switch the subject?What about during Desert Storm when they attacked Hussein's Iraq.
Were you convinced he had WMD's, because it was the official narrative. They went to the UN, serious looking officials, to declare it. remember Powel a the UN?
HA!!!
You're right. I initially wrote "trolling" but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt.Interesting...you edited "trolling" from your response.
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