Kompromat

[iambiguous]

Joker and I believe in racial separatism

It must be hard for both of you living in precisely the wrong country so many years after having that would be remotely possible.

Still, what always intrigues me about political commitments of this sort is less the arguments that folks make in defending them and more the sequence of variables in their lives that predisposed them to champion them in the first place.

And not something else.

Here [pertaining to the OP] there are facts that either will or will not see the light of day regarding the actual existential relationship between Trump and Putin. Something did happen. And in a particular order. But what? How close will Mueller and others come to sorting it all out?

But our reaction to the facts is considerably more convoluted. That's the part [for me] that gets all tangled up in "I" as an ever shifting and evolving existential contraption going forward in a world [labyrinthian at times] of contingency chance and change. There's just no way of predicting what you will think and feel a week, a month, a year from now.

The facts will stay the same. But our reaction to the accumulating facts may not.

That's why an objectivist frame of mind is so tempting. Once you zero in on right and wrong from a particular moral and political zeitgeist, any particular means and ends [as they relate to interpreting the facts] will be constantly shifting "in your head" in order to sustain the most comforting and consoling psychological zeitgeist.

[Zero_Sum]

Iambiguous, for somebody that is a nihilist you sure seem to be obsessed with what is right, wrong, and egalitarian, dare we say you're not as neutral or skeptical as you claim to really be?

You obviously vote liberal, you're slipping......

Can we call you a fraud of a nihilist yet? No, too soon?

[Zero_Sum]

Joker and I believe in racial separatism

It must be hard for both of you living in precisely the wrong country so many years after having that would be remotely possible.

We're going to obliterate whiteness all throughout the west destroying the European Caucasian wherever they exist. There will be no insurrection, defiance, push-back, separatism, or rebellion, what can go wrong? Nothing I tell you, the plan is perfect!

[Zero_Sum]

And how about Joker and Wendy here. How far do they want to take it re the Jews and all of the "not white" folks? And note how, above all else, they steer clear of the arguments that I present to them.

No one here enjoys exchanges with your cut and paste one track mind ridiculousness that is abject of reality by the way you refuse to define the words you are using in said exchanges. Talk about kid stuff, baiting people into your stupid hole where you use meaningless words that are not in relation to the greater reality, only in your subjective head.

Joker and I believe in racial separatism, not gas chambers or any other vile things you imply with your twisted twatter, so fuck off ass munch.

Okay, fair enough.

But my curiosity here still revolves more around why and how you came to think the way you do. Why that and not something else? In other words, how is it embedded in the manner in which I construe the meaning of any particular human identity [re value judgments] as more an existential contraption than a frame of mind that can be defended philosophically, or ideologically, or theologically, or scientifically, or genetically [naturally] re folks like Satyr.

Take us back, okay?

How has your life unfolded with respect to issues of race? What actual experiences, relationships, sources of information and knowledge etc., nudged/propelled you in the direction that embodies your own particular "I" here and now.

Have you thought this through?

And, if so, what are the components of your argument [in a venue such as this] that might persuade others to think and feel as you do now?

And then [more with Joker than with you] this part:

Zero comes here adopting the persona of a fierce supporter of the Jews. We of course are meant to see through the "irony" of this.

But then I got to thinking that maybe the irony instead revolves more around the fact that he is not being ironic at all!

Hell, maybe his shtick here is actually to expose those who do go after the Jews. Those who embrace a frame of mind more in sync with the manner in which, say, the Nazis went after them.

Is that...possible?

We Jews will formalize a world government because as God's destiny being fulfilled as the chosen we're destined to rule the entire planet and with our genocide of the Palestinian people as you can see we'll stop at nothing to do so. The end justifies the means and nothing is beyond our abilities in achieving that end.

[Meno_]

Kushner is partly under attack for the current flareup in the Middle East.
Instead of looking at causes, which hinges on reverse thinking sandwiched on doubtful effects to their causal claims, take historical signposts of causal certainty in terms of historic unaffected guidelines. They are not equivocal at all , and be at in mind they are not fodder to connect causes and their apparent outcomes, but merely events catalogued as unaffected historical records. Can one think of some?
On the forefront is the question of Arab unity as Arab Brotherhood.

Much is slung about this supposed societal feature of Middle Eastern real-social-politic, but is this really
a' real' real of most current descriptions of what really is going on? Is not the social unsophistication more to the point where regionalism and tribalism are more to the point?

Historically the facts bear this out. Jordan is the most convincing in an apparently undisguised manner in which the King there, a U.S. friend, refused to open up Trans-Jordan to Palestinian immigration there. The factionalism between the Shia and the Sunnies are a perpetual mobile of unsorted and inconclusive proof of un- certain claims to land and sovereignty between those groups as well.

The idea that these sorts of conflicts among unfriendly tribes, giving hate toward a common enemy, again, gives rise to very basic social -psychological defensive posture, again on a primary level.

Not accounting for such, but bypassing them, makes the reality sandwich extremely thin, disguised in populist terms, and perhaps giving a deliberately oblique view to the shakers, the intelligencia and the movers of those countries a bad taste of exemplarism, as hypocritical and self serving in those countries. Further, disociating a good and bad will of the West's intentions.

[Karpel Tunnel]

Joker and I believe in racial separatism

It must be hard for both of you living in precisely the wrong country so many years after having that would be remotely possible.

We're going to obliterate whiteness all throughout the west destroying the European Caucasian wherever they exist. There will be no insurrection, defiance, push-back, separatism, or rebellion, what can go wrong? Nothing I tell you, the plan is perfect!

Nah, who will you hire as pesonal assistents? And how will your Nuremburg Laws work? I mean the ones to determine race.

Either the facade parody Jew or the underlying separatist Joker....

What will either of you do with all the mixed race people? Adoptees? Interracial marriages? Professional partnerships?

You don't want to inhibit the freedom of Jews or whites-

[Karpel Tunnel]

Capitalism, socialism, who really cares? We Jews control both.

Well, at least your not national socialist, that has a ten year max duration and leads to the destruction of many of your own race.

[Zero_Sum]

Nah, who will you hire as pesonal assistents? And how will your Nuremburg Laws work? I mean the ones to determine race.

Either the facade parody Jew or the underlying separatist Joker....

What will either of you do with all the mixed race people? Adoptees? Interracial marriages? Professional partnerships?

You don't want to inhibit the freedom of Jews or whites-

The Kalergi Plan, we need to take out the white Europeans because they're the only opposition to take us on in competition or opposing us. Our program against whiteness is progressing very well since the 1960's.

All non Jews make up for a good servile population and we're not really worried about them.

[Karpel Tunnel]

Nah, who will you hire as pesonal assistents? And how will your Nuremburg Laws work? I mean the ones to determine race.

Either the facade parody Jew or the underlying separatist Joker....

What will either of you do with all the mixed race people? Adoptees? Interracial marriages? Professional partnerships?

You don't want to inhibit the freedom of Jews or whites-

The Kalergi plan, we need to take out the white Europeans because they're the only opposition to take us on in competition or opposing us. Our program against whiteness is progressing very well.

All non Jews make up for a good servile population.

And the Nuremberg Laws when separating?

[Zero_Sum]

Nah, who will you hire as pesonal assistents? And how will your Nuremburg Laws work? I mean the ones to determine race.

Either the facade parody Jew or the underlying separatist Joker....

What will either of you do with all the mixed race people? Adoptees? Interracial marriages? Professional partnerships?

You don't want to inhibit the freedom of Jews or whites-

The Kalergi plan, we need to take out the white Europeans because they're the only opposition to take us on in competition or opposing us. Our program against whiteness is progressing very well.

All non Jews make up for a good servile population.

And the Nuremberg Laws when separating?

What about them?

[Zero_Sum]

Capitalism, socialism, who really cares? We Jews control both.

Well, at least your not national socialist, that has a ten year max duration and leads to the destruction of many of your own race.

It is great that we destroyed national socialism in Europe during World War II, it was the only political threat against us as it collectivized the Europeans in a form of organization that threatened our power or influence everywhere.

Being that we control capitalism and marxism we've essentially neutered or neutralized European whites where if they keep following both politics they'll be within our realm of control.

[Karpel Tunnel]

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And the Nuremberg Laws when separating?[/quote]
What about them?[/quote]Well, you gotta figure out in your real and then fake Jewish separatisms how to deal with all the boundary cases, grey areas and close relations between races. IOW your own Nuremberg Laws.

[Zero_Sum]

Well, you gotta figure out in your real and then fake Jewish separatisms how to deal with all the boundary cases, grey areas and close relations between races. IOW your own Nuremberg Laws.

Now you're not making any sense at all.

[Karpel Tunnel]

Well, you gotta figure out in your real and then fake Jewish separatisms how to deal with all the boundary cases, grey areas and close relations between races. IOW your own Nuremberg Laws.

Now you're not making any sense at all.

Wendy has claimed you are a separatist, there are gray areas, hence the Nuremberg laws.

[Zero_Sum]

Well, you gotta figure out in your real and then fake Jewish separatisms how to deal with all the boundary cases, grey areas and close relations between races. IOW your own Nuremberg Laws.

Now you're not making any sense at all.

Nuremberg was pretty black and white. I'm unable to follow your rhetoric here.

[Meno_]

This is a paradigm of how grey areas can give rise uncertainty, defeating deontological focus, used referentially as if it made some kind of objective sense possible.
A reductive gesture to a black and white argument failing a compromising situation, its a dilusive attempt to bring back to solvency that which can not again appear in concentrated forms.

Literally, Nuremberg could never due justice on what went on in those concentrated concentration camps.
They were not existential contraptions they were not merely metaphors of illness, they were epochs that prevented clarity in movement from sterile nihilism forwards or backwards

They literally and figuratively landed into a definitive black hole , from which escape was not possible or even conceivable.

Both: anti-semite and jew were caught in an inescapable paradoxical situation.

Ref: Sartre, 'Reflexion sur question juive'.(in broad context) ed.1946 Edition Morihien

[Zero_Sum]

I am so glad the Soviets discovered those concentration camps before anybody else including the Americans. Thankfully the Bolsheviks were on our side......

[Karpel Tunnel]

Well, you gotta figure out in your real and then fake Jewish separatisms how to deal with all the boundary cases, grey areas and close relations between races. IOW your own Nuremberg Laws.

Now you're not making any sense at all.

Nuremberg was pretty black and white.

Well, exactly. It was to get rid of gray areas.
The N laws laid out who was considered Jewish - amongst other things it did. Wendy says you are she are racial separatists. What will your parallel to the Nuremberg laws be. IOW how will you separate? What percentages of genes? What about adopted kids of other races? etc.

[Zero_Sum]

Well, exactly. It was to get rid of gray areas.
The N laws laid out who was considered Jewish - amongst other things it did. Wendy says you are she are racial separatists. What will your parallel to the Nuremberg laws be. IOW how will you separate? What percentages of genes? What about adopted kids of other races? etc.

I fail to see the importance of the comparison.

[iambiguous]

Iambiguous, for somebody that is a nihilist you sure seem to be obsessed with what is right, wrong, and egalitarian, dare we say you're not as neutral or skeptical as you claim to really be?

Again, you are avoiding my point. What interest me about you is the extent to which you have thought through my contention that, with respect to issues like Putin's hold on Trump [and support for Trump's policies], your own particular "I" [here and now] is rooted in the manner in which I have come to construe the parameters of human identity [re dasein...an existential contraption] out in the is/ought world. Or, instead, is it anchored more to a philosophical/moral/political assessment that you are able to demonstrate is applicable to all men and women who wish to be thought of as rational human beings.

Are you willing to concede that perhaps your own values here are just one more example of run-of-the-mill political prejudices rooted largely in the life that you lived? Or are you convinced instead that a reasonable man must accept that those who think like "one of us" are either much closer to the objective truth or do in fact already embody it.

Besides, over and again I make it quite clear that my own understanding of nihilism is no less an existential contraption subject to change given new experiences, new relationships and new sources of information.

Just like you and your own value judgments.

Can we call you a fraud of a nihilist yet? No, too soon?

Choose a context. Choose conflicting assessments of right and wrong behavior.

Then note for us the manner in which a true nihilist would react to that discussion.

[iambiguous]

And how about Joker and Wendy here. How far do they want to take it re the Jews and all of the "not white" folks? And note how, above all else, they steer clear of the arguments that I present to them.

No one here enjoys exchanges with your cut and paste one track mind ridiculousness that is abject of reality by the way you refuse to define the words you are using in said exchanges. Talk about kid stuff, baiting people into your stupid hole where you use meaningless words that are not in relation to the greater reality, only in your subjective head.

Joker and I believe in racial separatism, not gas chambers or any other vile things you imply with your twisted twatter, so fuck off ass munch.

Okay, fair enough.

But my curiosity here still revolves more around why and how you came to think the way you do. Why that and not something else? In other words, how is it embedded in the manner in which I construe the meaning of any particular human identity [re value judgments] as more an existential contraption than a frame of mind that can be defended philosophically, or ideologically, or theologically, or scientifically, or genetically [naturally] re folks like Satyr.

Take us back, okay?

How has your life unfolded with respect to issues of race? What actual experiences, relationships, sources of information and knowledge etc., nudged/propelled you in the direction that embodies your own particular "I" here and now.

Have you thought this through?

And, if so, what are the components of your argument [in a venue such as this] that might persuade others to think and feel as you do now?

And then [more with Joker than with you] this part:

Zero comes here adopting the persona of a fierce supporter of the Jews. We of course are meant to see through the "irony" of this.

But then I got to thinking that maybe the irony instead revolves more around the fact that he is not being ironic at all!

Hell, maybe his shtick here is actually to expose those who do go after the Jews. Those who embrace a frame of mind more in sync with the manner in which, say, the Nazis went after them.

Is that...possible?

We Jews will formalize a world government because as God's destiny being fulfilled as the chosen we're destined to rule the entire planet and with our genocide of the Palestinian people as you can see we'll stop at nothing to do so. The end justifies the means and nothing is beyond our abilities in achieving that end.

More Kid stuff?

I asked Wendy a few questions that might enable us to understand better how and why she came to think and to feel as she does about Trump and Russia.

Then you react to this as you did.

It's so ludicrous [from my point of view] I can't help but wonder if the irony on display isn't perhaps itself just another level of play acting.

Help me to get to the bottom of what actually motivates you to post as you do on threads like this.

[Zero_Sum]

^^^^Biggie,

You're a fake pretentious nihilist (not a real one) that leans politically left and neo liberal in self described values, got it.

I bet you're a voter also.

[iambiguous]

^^^^Biggie,

You're a fake pretentious nihilist (not a real one) that leans politically left and neo liberal in self described values, got it.

I bet you're a voter also.

Note to others:

Does he or does he not completely avoid the discussion that I wish to have with him?

This one: An exploration into the existential parameters of his own particular set of political prejudices.

As this relates to his reaction to Trump's policies relating to, among other things, Russia and race.

Hell, he won't even bring his contentions regarding "fake pretentious nihilists" down to earth.

And it really makes no difference in what direction "I" lean politically. Why? Because [from my perspective] that is no less itself an existential contraption rooted in dasein.

Though I suspect that what might trouble him the most here is that I will convince him this is applicable to his own political agenda as well.

Then what? How self-righteous can he be about the scumbag liberals if he comes to recognize that had his own life been different he might well be one of them today? Or that the liberals have just as many reasonable assumptions to make regarding their own political prejudices as the conservatives have about theirs.

All moral and political and philosophical objectivists start with one or another set of "givens" regarding the "human condition".

Go ahead, let him pick an issue so that we might actually explore this more substantively "out in the world" -- a world that, historically, culturally and experientially, most of us here are familiar with.

[Meno_]

I've got to laugh , of course to my distractive self immolation, (purposely I may add) that it is the political middle that I and everyone nowadays is interested interested in.

For some it gives some breathing space, even of, it is the last underlying motive for human existence that's left.

Other then that, watch the signs along the way, they do tell and show, if constructions do not devolve a grounded nihilism into something less worthy: human existence now and way back in the jungle. It is from the jungle that the lesser of evils-the abyss, which originally the caveman tried to make into his dwelling space.

[Karpel Tunnel]

Does he or does he not completely avoid the discussion that I wish to have with him?

You gotta get a handle on other people having their own goals in discussions. There is every chance he focuses on what he wants to just as you focus on what you want to.

I don't think you understand how it comes off like you think other people either are here to serve your purposes or are afraid of doing what is right: iow what you want them to do.

Note: 'comes off'. It is how you function in a discussion.

Even in a world sans God sans objective values other people may very well have internal lives and goals of their own.