Karpel Tunnel wrote:bahman wrote:Yes. Complicated things either move toward more complexity or simplicity depending on the mode of things.
Or perhaps some complicted things do not move towards more complexity or simplicity.
True. That is the case too.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Can you demonstrate that this must be the case?
This is all exhaustive options.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Karpel Tunnel wrote:2) This, being subjected to time, is impossible though
Why can't God evolve? Change over time, that is.
Evolve toward what? Knowing more? That is the attribute of creature.
Sure, knowing more. The Abrahamic religions have God as the perfect unevolving something. Perhaps they are wrong. Perhaps God evolves.
Do you know the name of God who is evolving?
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Karpel Tunnel wrote:3) God cannot be simple (God is love, God is Justice, etc.)
Why can't God be simple?
Because God is love and justice. Basically these are definitions of God which are not equal because love and justice are different.
You mean because humans use inexact terms in language there could not possibly be a God where it would be useful to use those terms?
Yes.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Are you saying, for example, you would never refer to another person as both just and loving because they cannot be both all the time?
No. They cannot be both in the same time.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Are you saying something does not exist because our words are not perfect?
No.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Karpel Tunnel wrote:Are you saying that because people say God is different things, God can't be simple?Yes.
So if people start saying contradictory things about you will that make you no longer having existed?
What is your definition of God?
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Karpel Tunnel wrote:Could't some of the definitions be wrong?God at least is love and justice. He is also existence. There are other definitions too. A God who is love cannot be hate for example so we have to decide which one God is, good God or Evil God? Here as an example we are working with good God.
It seems to me all you are demonstrating is some the problems of describing things. Still, even the inexact descriptions of things can be useful, and even convey core truths.
No, nothing is wrong with the logic and language. It is about a contradiction.
P1) A is B & A is C
P2) B=/=C
C ) A cannot exist.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Karpel Tunnel wrote:Or couldn't being loving lead to just actions and attitudes. Is there a particular God you are saying is impossible`? Some versions of God are not just.There is problem if there are at least two definitions.
That's true for a lot of things we know exist.
There is problem if there are at least two definitions which are contrary. Sorry for not being accurate.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Karpel Tunnel wrote:First, God is the following things: God is Love, God is Justice, etc. Love however is different from Justice therefore God cannot be simple. This justifies premise (3). This can be only resolved if God is subjected to time, sometimes Love, sometimes Justice, etc. So premise (1) is justified.
Well, first there's the possibility that Loving and being just are facets of the same simple attitude.
Then please show that love and justice are facets of the same simple attitude.
If you are loving you want to treat those you love justly.
Yes. But Love is not Justice.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Karpel Tunnel wrote:Karpel Tunnel wrote:Why would God have to wait?
Because by eternity we mean that God has existed in infinite past. Creation apparently is not eternal, it has a age. Therefore God has to wait eternity to create.
We don't know if creation is eternal or not. It could be eternal forward in time.
Creation cannot be eternal. There is an argument against that.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:What if God is not bound by time?
A timeless God cannot create. There is an argument against that too.