If You're Listening To Music Right Now III

[Pedro I Rengel]

Here's what I can give you:

I understand, from a muscician's side, how it can be a thrill to see a guy do things that shouldn't be able to be done.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Like how true metal dudes think Malmsteen is a god. Fine, ok. But me, just a music lover, I listen to him and I'm like this is just corny.

Paco de Lucia is that x1000000000

[Pedro I Rengel]

Lol, for some reason you reminded me of Rhapsody. I get the idea you never got into metal. But I like guys who get into it, go deep. Deez guys go deep.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Lol, fucking Rhapsody.

I had a metalhead nerd cousin, that's why. Mexicans love them.

I never picked it out myself to listen to.

But the point is, music needs soul. Soul.

[promethean75]

malmsteen is everything that is wrong with the shredders. i agree, total cornball, but he's badass, so he can be one and his shit still sells. of that era i prefer satriani and vai. satriani can go a little overboard with the whole lead guitarist image but he's really a modest guy. vai is a genuine angel who truly enjoys all the weird shit he does for arts sake. plus he was raised by zappa which has something to do with his eccentric nature. if you ever aren't doing anything, listen to 'flexible', vai's first solo album after he stopped playing for frank. in fact, check this crazy shit out (the whole album is great). this is what happens to you when you work for frank:



".... light without heat-t-t-t-t-t-t....."

[Pedro I Rengel]

Another thing I'll give de Lucia.

I remember hearing a guy once play spanish guitar at a party. I was like what is this shit. Went searching, quickly found de Lucia. Listened for alike a good minute and was like "I see the skill but... Fuck, is this what spanish guitar is? There's no... It's not... It doesn't elicit anything, it's like a super elaborate soap opera. Then I dug deeper and found the real shit, and understood. So Paco did get me into Spanish Guitar.

Yeah, Vai and Satirani I know, and I have some respect for them. But it is also the case that I can't get past 30 secs with them. It's too... Too indulgent. Where's the meat?

[Pedro I Rengel]

Lol, did you ever see this movie?

[Pedro I Rengel]

Lol, this is my kind of virtuoso.

They are still showing off, but it is somehow not about THEM.

The bass players is basically playing a harp. You might think they're a joke, but they are actually very good.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Gold mine for yaass.

[promethean75]

Lol, I can't. I listen to the first 6 plucks of the guitar and I'm already like Blegh.

I get it, this guy just wants me to know how good he is.

you got these guys all wrong, man. if all they wanted to do was show off and get rich/laid doing it, they'da started a rock band. no, these dudes are highly skilled musicians who've spent their life studying and perfecting the guitar and are therefore able to surpass the more mundane aspects of playing. all that simple feel-good shit is easy for them... they're not playing it not because they don't understand it or have any sentimental appreciation for the simper stuff... but because it simply isn't enough for them. they go beyond that because they have to. it's like you're expecting a racing horse to trot when he'd prefer to gallop.

it's not a matter of 'look how good i am on guitar', but rather 'look at what a guitar is capable of if you put the right guy on it.' you're looking for the wrong things... and this is because the music industry is so full of posturing cornballs, it's ruined it for everyone. no you think; if this guys shreds, he must be trying to intimidate and show off. and sure, when you're that good you'll be a bit cocky, but that's not arrogance, because these dudes really are that good. and when they play these machine gun solos the purpose is to push the limits of what the guitar can do for the love of the instrument itself. and godammit, when it takes you twenty years to be able to play that well, you deserve more than 'oh you're just trying to show off'. these guys aren't rappers, man. they're artists. they're into the art, and couldn't care less how cool you think they are or aren't.

[Pedro I Rengel]

You're not listening...

[promethean75]

oh but I am. I hear things you don't say when you speak... things you didn't think you thought, opinions you didn't know you have.

I am the all hearing ear.

i.... hear.... everything .

[Pedro I Rengel]

Coming from a Vai and Satirani and Paco de Lucia fan, I think I know the kind of thing you listen for.

Which in your case is forgivable, as you are able to actually translate that into art. But, alas, like so many of the world's gifted, you prefer to waste your time bitching and ranting. Using all your energy up in the "struggle."

It's a shame. It's such a flawless mechanism, I am convinced it has been done on purpose. To keep the talented people down.

Oh well. 'Tis not I that chooses.

Paco de Lucia. Ffs.

[Pedro I Rengel]

This is so many levels of cultural appropriation, a leftist do-gooder would probably break down and decompose.

We probably have Rome to thank for cultural appropriation, or at least the Mediterrenian. Before that, there was really only cultural anahilation.

[promethean75]

Holy christ make it stop! It's like lady gaga on crystal meth or something. I haven't heard anything this bad since that obnoxious freak yoko ono was jumping around on stage with lennon.

You owe me 1.4 mbs of mobile data for clicking on that garbage, dude.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Recommend the whole album, actually. Dang, I had never heard anybody sing like this.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Holy christ make it stop! It's like lady gaga on crystal meth or something. I haven't heard anything this bad since that obnoxious freak yoko ono was jumping around on stage with lennon.

You owe me 1.4 mbs of mobile data for clicking on that garbage, dude.

Hahahahaha yoko ono.

[promethean75]

There's a reason nobody sings like that. Most people would have to get hit by a car to sound like that.

[Pedro I Rengel]

I won't point it out.

I won't.

[Pedro I Rengel]

This is probably a problem of asthetics vs skill.

Paco de Lucia has a lot of talent. But aesthetically, he is like a mandala of flowers within flowers.

This girl has massive talent, probably more talent with her vocal chords than de Lucia has with his gueetar. But the asthetics... Are a little more complicated.

You seem to like polished surfaces. de Lucia. Crimson King. Grateful Dead. Vai. Things that transmit nice things. Being a snob, because I believe you too are a snob, you require there to be massive skill behind it. But your soul likes sort of non offensive, pleasant things.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Fortunately for you, or furtunately for you if you weren't allergic to means, this is an era that rewards your asthetic inclinations.

Polished. Accomplished. Doesn't matter if Primus is going on about some non-sensical story, they are telling it with clean, vastly complex funk riffs.

This is the present man. You could cash that in. Don't you find that a similar cleanliness of portions is also present in trap compared to the dirtier 90's rap?

PAra pa PAra pa PAra

huh

rather than

ParaparaparaparaPA PA Pa parapara para para, para para PA

[Pedro I Rengel]

Maybe not, maybe what bothers you about trap is precicely the lack of complexity. Maybe it's me that likes that. Simple. To the point. Like flag dub.

[Pedro I Rengel]

But no, complexity is not enough for you. You need the polished aspect. Nothing dirty.

Hmm...

Fuck me, I think you would make a ground breaking trap producer.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Lol, or this equally simple remix which I have always been fond of.

[promethean75]

Fuck me, I think you would make a ground breaking trap producer.

never gonna happen, pal. i'll tell ya what i wanna do. if i ever make it big, i'm gonna be doing exactly what trilok gurtu is doing at 7:45.