5G and the AI

[Meno_]

He may not agree with You there.

[Karpel Tunnel]

He may not agree with You there.

Could be. Do you think he is an example of the fittest? If not him, it will be men like him on those ships. I mean, that's more or less what he's doing. Creating more rich with more resources. Sort of subplanet where the rich can live and the rest is garbage. That's what fucking up this planet and then moving on is. It's interstellar neo-con dreams.

[Meno_]

He may not agree with You there.

Could be. Do you think he is an example of the fittest? If not him, it will be men like him on those ships.

Here are some tentative conclusions regarding some assessment that may bear on being fit, :

The rich really are different — and, apparently more self-absorbed, according to the latest research.

That goes against the conventional wisdom that the more people have, the more they appreciate their obligations to give back to others. Recent studies show, for example, that wealthier people are more likely to cut people off in traffic and to behave unethically in simulated business and charity scenarios. Earlier this year, statistics on charitable giving revealed that while the wealthy donate about 1.3% of their income to charity, the poorest actually give more than twice as much as a proportion of their earnings — 3.2%.

“There’s this idea that the more you have, the less entitled and more grateful you feel; and the less you have, the more you feel you deserve. That’s not what we find,” says author Paul Piff, a psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley. “This seems to be the opposite of noblesse oblige.”

There are uncharted connections a) over the place between fitness(including where , how and why people fit) and what a person and/or others mean by that term.

Don't You agree?


The rich usually become rich is by utilizing social structure to their own benefit. They will agree only until it is in their best interest.
Then they will beg to agree only to disagree.
That is why Democracy is failing in this country. It is becoming unaffordable.

[Meno_]

now , it is rare to find even the most religious and ethically sound person to go against self interest of the kind of economic uncertainty put to the test Nowedays, as never before.

That is why the economy of the ID and
the economy of social indeterminacy clash as never before.
Darwin vs. Freud. In fact that is mere appearance. They are clashing, one has to compensate the other.

Conventional wisdom was predicated on strict ethical standards, prior to the 1960's, when post war economic boom and cheap gas came to an abrupt halt.
Then what appeared ? Payback. Liberal and moral laxity, cheap thrills and their condonement. Something had to give: Marylin Monroe was an erotic genius. She went out before 'something had to give'

[Meno_]

But I am jumping ahead of myself improperly leaving you behind

[Karpel Tunnel]

Here are some tentative conclusions regarding some assessment that may bear on being fit, :

The rich really are different — and, apparently more self-absorbed, according to the latest research.

They also consider themselves exempt from the law, which, unfortunately the courts are now confirming for them. This is not just due to having better legal representation, it is that the courts systematically show empathy for wealthy people that they do not show others. Their jobs are considered to important to be left behind if they serve time. Prison is seen as a shock to them, but not to working class people, for example. These considerations lead to probation instead of prison or simply being released without a sentence whereas poorer people would serve time. They also consider themselves immune to oversight by governmental agencies, not simply through revolving door positions with these agencies, but they simply refuse to comply with them.
Equal under the law is getting worse.

And yes, there are all sorts of psychological parallels, where their problems are considered as or more important then the real problems other people face.

The rich usually become rich is by utilizing social structure to their own benefit.

And shaping it so it works for them. Campaign finance, lobbying, revolving door of oversight, access to politicians, backdoor non.democratic influence through G8, Bilderburg, the Triliateral Commission, legal help and much much more.

They will agree only until it is in their best interest.
Then they will beg to agree only to disagree.
That is why Democracy is failing in this country. It is becoming unaffordable.

It isn't a democracy and has not been in my lifetime which is not short. But it is less of one than when I was younger.

[promethean75]

You nailed the shit out of it in that first paragraph, KT.

*knuckle bump*

[Meno_]

You nailed the shit out of it in that first paragraph, KT.

*knuckle bump*

That fits the glove of an oligarchian knockout!

Note that a decision is yet to be made.

[barbarianhorde]

The rich lose relatively more when they go to prison. The fall is deeper. Since the judge is also rich, he really sympathizes with that.
Rich people are snowflakes. Except Trump, who is getting people out of prison that Obama put there, but hey that doesn't count for KP and Prom because these people are black. Who cares for a black person in prison right? I mean poor is good but black.... ew. Thankfully Trump is not sociopathic like that and, as the first president ever, takes the trouble of looking at unjust incarcerations which are of course usually suffered by black people

[barbarianhorde]

Still the world is royally fucked because all these idiotic white and black supremacists spending their whole energy on masking their racism to themselves run all inner city institutions and media franchises and apparently this is enough to delude enough people to make progress completely impossible.

(Of course the dragon didn't know it was impossible and he did it anyway.)

[barbarianhorde]

The dragon is the true spirit, the power of freedom, that which doesn't even know anyhing besides freedom and thus doesn't even understand when it is imprisoned, which has it crashing into walls all the time but eventually that just erodes the walls.

Freedom erodes chains.

Dumbasses who think Trump is to blame for the system he inherited are not going to be of any use in the Revolution - one needs to be able to see beyond decent and indecent without wetting ones undergarments to be a Revolutionary.

Revolution is underway. Black and White aren't anything but the closest of friends, the best racial blend that the earth has perhaps seen, the most successful combination. America is nothing if not the marriage of black and white. The turbulence that exists in a marriage shouldn't be mistaken for hatred. It is simply ontic tension between positive types.

[promethean75]

but hey that doesn't count for KP and Prom because these people are black. Who cares for a black person in prison right? I mean poor is good but black.... ew.

they're lazy good for nothin' tricksters... crack-smokin' swindlers... big butt havin', wide nose, breathin' all the white man's air.

and i'm quoting a black white supremacist - clayton bigsby - so even black people agree with me.

Dumbasses who think Trump is to blame

trump is not to blame for being what he is, for there is no freewill. instead, on january 20th, 2017, the determined universe decided to tell a joke, and that joke was donald trump.

remember first to ask as as marcus aurelius did:

Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature?

that thing is, in itself, a trump. the essence of its nature is trumpness. trumpness is its haecceity.

[Meno_]

Kind of off. The singularity of Rosa Lichtenstein is merely an interjection between Szilard and Polanyi, to name a few, nominalism is a defensive posture, and Wittgenstein was cautiously optimistic, at best.
To connect the everwidening gaps,, since Heisenberg, theatrics such as enamating from Parks and Trump, are merely simulated fill inns, to satisfy a philosophical detente.

[Karpel Tunnel]

The rich lose relatively more when they go to prison.

Yes, and no. A working class person goes to prison for a felony it is more likely to be a harsher prison. The do not have money waiting for them when they are done being in prison. Their worklife is much more likely to be irrevocably damaged. They do not have ways to buy protection in prison. It is a larger drop for the rich person in terms of comfort, things, services. Of course rape and having the shit kicked out of you is pretty much the same regardless of class. I suppose a few more working class men will know how to handle themselves in there.

Rich people are snowflakes. Except Trump, who is getting people out of prison that Obama put there, but hey that doesn't count for KP and Prom because these people are black.

Yes, my posts made it clear I don't care about blacks. Now sarcasm aside, if you can link me to Trump doing good things for the unjustly incarcerated I would be happy to see it. That's not me saying that I am skeptical or gosh I'm great I have an open mind. No, I like finding out things that Trump has done well and I have written about things he had the right positions on, as I see it before. The demonization of Trump is in part a whitewashing of the evil of the neo-cons, which of course includes for example Hilary. So, if you can link me to this, please do.

I brought Trump into this thread precisely because I got the idea that Meno dislikes Trump in the extreme and it will be people from his class who will be on those space ships.

[Meno_]

The rich lose relatively more when they go to prison.

Yes, and no. A working class person goes to prison for a felony it is more likely to be a harsher prison. The do not have money waiting for them when they are done being in prison. Their worklife is much more likely to be irrevocably damaged. They do not have ways to buy protection in prison. It is a larger drop for the rich person in terms of comfort, things, services. Of course rape and having the shit kicked out of you is pretty much the same regardless of class. I suppose a few more working class men will know how to handle themselves in there.

Rich people are snowflakes. Except Trump, who is getting people out of prison that Obama put there, but hey that doesn't count for KP and Prom because these people are black.

Yes, my posts made it clear I don't care about blacks. Now sarcasm aside, if you can link me to Trump doing good things for the unjustly incarcerated I would be happy to see it. That's not me saying that I am skeptical or gosh I'm great I have an open mind. No, I like finding out things that Trump has done well and I have written about things he had the right positions on, as I see it before. The demonization of Trump is in part a whitewashing of the evil of the neo-cons, which of course includes for example Hilary. So, if you can link me to this, please do.

I brought Trump into this thread precisely because I got the idea that Meno dislikes Trump in the extreme and it will be people from his class who will be on those space ships.

Thanks for even negatively associating me With Trump, , though sure some will dislike You for it.

However I unfortunately consider my middle position essential and not a result of bad direction.

Nevertheless, You are right in being resentful of not being an opportunity to escape on that great ride!

[Karpel Tunnel]

Nevertheless, You are right in being resentful of not being an opportunity to escape on that great ride!

I'm not resentful about that. I don't want that great ride. I am concerned that now that the beginnings of that ride, given life extensions and transhumanism are in the offing, might now be in reach of some of these assholes, they will feel even freer to damage even more of the planet before they finally leave us alone. Any baby may bite his mother's nipples. Life is tricky. But these babies treat their mother like Mengele treated kids.

[Fixed Cross]

Now sarcasm aside, if you can link me to Trump doing good things for the unjustly incarcerated I would be happy to see it. That's not me saying that I am skeptical or gosh I'm great I have an open mind. No, I like finding out things that Trump has done well and I have written about things he had the right positions on, as I see it before. The demonization of Trump is in part a whitewashing of the evil of the neo-cons, which of course includes for example Hilary. So, if you can link me to this, please do.

I just punched it in google and there's plenty there. People tend to not want to dig very deep for info that contradicts their views.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mi ... s-released

By the way if scumbags that ruin this planet want to voluntarily get the fuck off it into some sad space vessel into the eternal night, good riddance, no?

As far as Trump, think about it, really. How are you going to play golf in a spaceship?

[promethean75]

For Kim, it's a side hobbie taken up in an attempt to be appreciated by the public as something more than a sex symbol. For Trump, it's a political move to attract millennial voters. By simple association with Kim alone, he gets their respect, which gets him the votes.

In truth, neither Kim nor Don give two shits about the matter. Neither does Trump give a shit about her, or her about him.

[Fixed Cross]

For Kim, it's a side hobbie taken up in an attempt to be appreciated by the public as something more than a sex symbol. For Trump, it's a political move to attract millennial voters. By simple association with Kim alone, he gets their respect, which gets him the votes.

In truth, neither Kim nor Don give two shits about the matter. Neither does Trump give a shit about her, or her about him.

Dude, please, control your sad soul. You make me pity you, and I really don't like pity.

[promethean75]

I can't help it. Having a sad soul comes with having x-ray vision. The ability to see through things that appear deep, but aren't even shallow.

[Fixed Cross]

I recommend that next time when you paraphrase Nietzsche, you try to do it in some kind of relevant context.
Im not aware that liberating people from prison is either "deep" or "not even shallow".

[Fixed Cross]

Let me transpose your statements to a context you understand.

Brian doesn't give a shit for the porches he builds. He only does it to get paid. Therefore the porch is worthless.

And this assuming you have the psychic powers of seeing into Trump and Kim Kardashian that you imagine you have. Which I don't actually assume.

Know Thyself, Brian. It's really hard, I'm well aware. But it may be time for you to commence that terrifyng undertaking.

[promethean75]

Imma holla at you later cuz I'm building a porch right now to get my stacks right.

Enjoy the silence, cuz when I get back.... we're goin downtown....

[Fixed Cross]

See, I respect your work. I respect what it is you truly do. I respect your prison-writings, even though you took my compliments as some sarcastic joke. I respect whatever it is you come up with first hand.
Not that many people are able to come up with stuff first hand.

[Meno_]

I take stuff having to do with quantified relevance in this manner:

Saturation or redundancy may be asserted or signified for barious methods and innovative reasons.
The most.prominent but the least significant of those is based on feeling good about the self inquiry.

I feel good if......
Well if the query is responded to, etc.

The second is way more of a strategic nature, a kind of quantified matrix of objective separation of raw data from mere hyperbole

Objectivism is alive and well if not embroiled in what has been penned as the politics of experience, rather then the experience of political moderation.
( Not at all having any intended.reference to the ongoing moderation imbroglio)
This type of moderation comes no easy way, and it is definitely not a matter to weigh in on nature or nurture.
It is just what it is, a needless but necessary devolvement into the world of either/or.


In another way of putting it, is that it is a sub ordinate poll, or a poll within a poll of fallibility.

Case at hand: Trump's.strange.and.twisted.trail leaving a surge of.popularity, leaving some gasping , others delighted.
Irony world perfect and inversely proportional to expectations.
There must be a smoking gun elsewhere, and it is not what it is presumed. The madness doesn't count but the method, everything.


Course , heeding one's limits and being in accordance with them is of a prescribed necessity.