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Re: On Moderation

Postby Artimas » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:15 am

The mods here in my opinion have always been great at their jobs and remaining unbiased. Mags and humean and Dan were my favorites. What are you typically looking for in a moderator? Are you going to not have any for the site now? Are you going to be enforcing rules against ad hominem or other logical fallacies?
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:17 am

Carleas wrote:The report function is very helpful for me, I can't read everything but I do check the reports.

Is the porn just naughty words, or are people posting pictures? The latter are a problem

Nazism is a harder case. If people are defending bad ideas, that's OK, they can be wrong and the response is to argue or ignore. If people are harassing people for their perceived identity, that's not OK.

Either way, I'm happy to review anything anyone views as problematic. Fair warning that I have a pretty high tolerance for what's OK, but I'll seriously consider any reported post.

Dude, this is pretty absurd. How can you not notice the promotions of genocide being posted here continuously?
I don't care about these morons but I do think the site is legally in danger with each call to murder based on race. It wouldn't surprise me if this is their intention. To spam the site with explicit genocide propaganda and then report it to get it taken offline. It has happened to several big US forum sites the past years.
Id take at least a superficial interest in your website brother, if I were you.

As for porn, Dan has already had to remove several images.
As for racial harassment, that has been going on here forever. MagsJ has sometimes stepped in but she cant really be asked to deal with it constantly, as it also means reading all these spasmodic posts, which is downright unwholesome.
I take it your motivations for staying aloof are similar. Who wants to look at such pits of depravity?
Better pretend worst that goes on here is some naughty sexting.

Sad thing is these people are actually quite amusing when they aren't labouring on their weird agenda. It would be fantastic if they would gain some self-respect. Ive tried to help them into some conscious self-valuing - and come to think of it it kind of worked, a bit.

But value ontology is the only thing that could restore some soul in them.
If only for that reason this site needs to stay online.

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Re: On Moderation

Postby Mowk » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:09 am

Click the little exclamation point thingy, next to "quote". Carleas sees them. How hard is that?
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:14 am

Mowk wrote:Click the little exclamation point thingy, next to "quote". Carleas sees them. How hard is that?

I know how reporting works, thank you.
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Carleas » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:40 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:How can you not notice the promotions of genocide being posted here continuously?

The ethics of genocide are an appropriate subject of philosophical inquiry. I do think that "radical positions must be approached delicately", but that is a hard standard to police impartially; someone who is offended by a position will find it easy to fault the presentation of that position, no matter how delicate.

That said, I will police this more forcefully to the extent that people are being flagrantly offensive. Reporting posts anywhere near that line will help me in this.

Fixed Cross wrote:As for racial harassment, that has been going on here forever.

Similar to the above, and here I think it's even clearer that we could do better. Again, reporting it when you see it helps.

Fixed Cross wrote:I take it your motivations for staying aloof are similar.

Not at all. I'm aloof because I don't have time, and I don't intervene when I do have time because of a philosophical commitment to open discourse, even where people are defending ideas I find abhorrent. I also have a general low emotional affect, which means I often see obnoxious posts as merely uninteresting rather than offensive (that trait has always been a double-edged sword).
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:41 pm

I can't believe you temporarily banned me Carleas for an inside joke with Phoneutria that stems from another thread on the forum. [That was started by her initially mind you.] Nobody was harmed and the humor was minor. I guess Carleas has firmly and effectively clipped off my balls as I can't even make a simple joke without getting banned from now on.

I suppose it was inevitable since my politics and philosophy is despised here with our resident zionist pushing me to be banned or deplatformed completely from the site.

Let's see here, I have a second board warning issued where if I get one more I am completely banned forever. That's a nice home coming gift, thanks for that. I suppose there's no rolling back any of those board warnings either where like the sword of Damocles it will be hanging over me until somebody decides to apply one more destroying me completely. Whatever, if I get banned from this forum I'm probably done with all social media on the internet altogether, the internet has been reduced to one giant safe space full of a variety of ideological snowflakes, at a certain point I'm just going to throw in the towel and call it quits.

I'm sure many here would celebrate my permanent removal no doubt.

For now on I am just going to limit myself to my own threads and severely limit my interactions with other members here since with one more board warning I'm effectively toast or SOL.

It's interesting that I have had a plethora of insults hurled towards me on the forum but not a single moderator or admin has done anything about it yet when I make a single joke I get temporarily banned with an added board warning. However unlike many of the nutless individuals here I don't report such posts because I'm not a little girl that goes crying to people when others say terrible things about me. I'm above all of that.

So yeah, going to keep to myself in my own threads severely limiting my actions with other board members as I'm just one more board warning from being completely banned from the forum. Hope you're all very happy with these results which I'm sure for many of you, you are.
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Carleas » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:31 pm

If you are unpleasant to be around, people will ask you to leave. You're not going to escape that by leaving the internet.

3 warnings is a 7 day ban. Permanent banning is discretionary.
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:33 pm

Carleas wrote:If you are unpleasant to be around, people will ask you to leave. You're not going to escape that by leaving the internet.

3 warnings is a 7 day ban. Permanent banning is discretionary.


I'm not going to change myself to accommodate others, I am who I am and nothing less or more. I will not change myself for anybody, people can either love me or hate me, I don't care either way.

Only 7days? Good to know. Discretionary you say? Meh, there are many here who would like to see me entirely blown away. Going to categorize that comment as discretionary bias. 8)
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Mowk » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:56 pm

Carleas, How long does a warning stick around?
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Carleas » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:07 am

90 days.
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Mowk » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:35 am

Any chance I can keep it a while longer?
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Carleas » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:56 am

I'm not sure what you mean, but I don't want to encourage any other associations with warnings, because it increases ambiguity and noise. If I keep your warning around and then you do something that deserves a warning, do I treat you as having one warning or two if I know one of them is pretextual?
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Zero_Sum » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:10 am

It's good to be back on ILP after my two day extravaganza! :evilfun:

I'll try to be on my best behavior for now on, no promises though. 8) :wink: :-"

*Tips hat to Carleas.* :)
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Mowk » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:33 am

No worries, when it runs out it runs out. Is it automatic or do you have to remember?

Is that by month or 90 actual days? From 1:36 am?
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Carleas » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:56 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:I'll try to be on my best behavior for now on, no promises though.

A good faith attempt is all I can ask for.

Mowk wrote:Is it automatic or do you have to remember? Is that by month or 90 actual days? From 1:36 am?

It's automatic, it's a board setting. I'm not sure if it goes by date or by minute. I would prefer days, it would be too silly if a warning earned a ban in the morning but not in the evening. But to my knowledge that situation has never come up.
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Re: On Moderation

Postby Mowk » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:00 pm

Carleas wrote:it would be too silly if a warning earned a ban in the morning but not in the evening.
And it was just one, in all the years. Gee wiz I thought you needed three before you started thinking banning?

Well consider It late 'night' as I hadn't gone to sleep yet.

When ever, It'll hang around as long as it will.

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