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Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:29 pm

Is something happening with ILP?

For days now, I am continually being logged out without my logging out. I click submit I am logged out, losing my posts, I back space i am logged out, I click on, let us say, the llth page of a thread, I am logged out, I try to get back to the Board Index, I am logged out.

What can be happening? This has never happened before as far as I can remember.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby PavlovianModel146 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:58 pm

Try logging out (you are currently having no problem there!) and logging back in, but first click the button that says, "Automatically log in each visit."

I stopped having the problem after that.

For really long posts, I recommend doing a copy page CTRL + A---THEN----CTRL + C, if on a computer. Then, if you do get logged out, you can do CTRL + V (or it can be CTRL + P, depending) in order to paste what you have copied into the textbox.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Mowk » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:03 pm

Hey Arc,

Seems a few members have been running into this. What browser are you using?

I ran into the problem right after a Firefox update. Ran Firefox "options" and deleted site preferences, then used the command on the homepage here to delete all board cookies and haven't had the problem since.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby PavlovianModel146 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:05 pm

I had the problem on Chrome, but my corrective action worked.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:45 pm

PavlovianModel146 wrote:Try logging out (you are currently having no problem there!) and logging back in, but first click the button that says, "Automatically log in each visit."

I stopped having the problem after that.

For really long posts, I recommend doing a copy page CTRL + A---THEN----CTRL + C, if on a computer. Then, if you do get logged out, you can do CTRL + V (or it can be CTRL + P, depending) in order to paste what you have copied into the textbox.


Hi Pav, long time no see. Good to see you in here.
It just took me approximately 10 minutes to send a post to Fixed Cross. lol
I'm in google chrome. Did not know if it is that or ILP. Even trying to do the post in a PM does not quite work because any click sends me out, no matter which way I am going.

I am having no problem logging out because it is being done for me without my wanting it. lol
I log back in, perform a function and I am out again. The exception to the rule is staying in. It is extremely annoying.
I suppose that the universe is teaching me that there are more important things in life than any of this. lol

Good to see you again in here. Let us hope that you guys stay for awhile.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:46 pm

Mowk wrote:Hey Arc,

Seems a few members have been running into this. What browser are you using?

I ran into the problem right after a Firefox update. Ran Firefox "options" and deleted site preferences, then used the command on the homepage here to delete all board cookies and haven't had the problem since.


Thanks Mowk.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Aegean » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:53 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Is something happening with ILP?

For days now, I am continually being logged out without my logging out. I click submit I am logged out, losing my posts, I back space i am logged out, I click on, let us say, the llth page of a thread, I am logged out, I try to get back to the Board Index, I am logged out.

What can be happening? This has never happened before as far as I can remember.
Me too.
Maybe all those Chinese, Russian, and American think tanks are intervening as they harvest the genius insights of many of the ILP members who are, as we speak, shaping and forming global balances.

just sayin'
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:17 am

Arc, don't get upset , I have had various issues myself. and they seem to phase out after a while. A thought occurred me, though. that ILP may be evolving intellectually, as well. Who knows nowadays.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby PavlovianModel146 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:21 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:Hi Pav, long time no see. Good to see you in here.
It just took me approximately 10 minutes to send a post to Fixed Cross. lol
I'm in google chrome. Did not know if it is that or ILP. Even trying to do the post in a PM does not quite work because any click sends me out, no matter which way I am going.

I am having no problem logging out because it is being done for me without my wanting it. lol
I log back in, perform a function and I am out again. The exception to the rule is staying in. It is extremely annoying.
I suppose that the universe is teaching me that there are more important things in life than any of this. lol

Good to see you again in here. Let us hope that you guys stay for awhile.


Nice to see you too! Couple years or so, I guess.

You hit the, "Automatically log me in button?"

In any event, I PM'ed Carleas both a link to this thread as well as what I think the problem could be. Unfortunately, I lack sufficient permissions to even identify whether that is the problem or not, much less fix it. My status as Staff Emeritus affords me a few permissions that you don't have, but that's not one of them.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Mowk » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:21 am

Chromium googlites. Geez, aren't you aware google is the largest harvester of personal data around?
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby PavlovianModel146 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:16 am

I am Google and Google is me, so it's fine.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Carleas » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:54 am

While it's usually a user-side issue, this time it may have something to do with some recent back-end changes. I changed our DNS provider and registrar, and I don't know that that would affect it, but it would make sense if the cookies don't carry over after the change as a precaution against man-in-the-middle attacks.

Can you try deleting your cookies? That's kind of an unplug-it-and-plug-it-back-in solution, but since it's affecting only certain users it's worth a shot.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Carleas » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:05 am

Moved to Meta.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby obsrvr524 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:25 am

That happened to me when I first signed in her. The "Automatically log me in" thing worked to prevent the problem but for some reason I am still always hidden without asking it to do that. It works well enough for me.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Mowk » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:33 pm

It's happening again.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Carleas » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:36 pm

Have you deleted cookies?
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Mowk » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:43 pm

yes, read your post and when I clicked to post reply, it said I had to be logged in to respond and brought me back to the login page.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:53 pm

Aegean wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:Is something happening with ILP?

For days now, I am continually being logged out without my logging out. I click submit I am logged out, losing my posts, I back space i am logged out, I click on, let us say, the llth page of a thread, I am logged out, I try to get back to the Board Index, I am logged out.

What can be happening? This has never happened before as far as I can remember.
Me too.
Maybe all those Chinese, Russian, and American think tanks are intervening as they harvest the genius insights of many of the ILP members who are, as we speak, shaping and forming global balances.

just sayin'


Well, chances are that they would not be harvesting them from me. lol
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:58 pm

Pav,

I hit the automatically log me in button but alas I had to log in again. But I did manage to submit one post successfully.


What are "cookies"? :oops:
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"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Carleas » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:15 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:What are "cookies"?

Cookies are small files that sites use to remember information specific to users. When you go to a site, the site will check to see if you have their cookies, and pull any information they need from them. They are used to automatically log you in when you visit ILP, and to show you the right style, posts-per-page, things like that.

If you're using Chrome, you can clear your cookies as follows: go to the ILP homepage, click the "Not secure"* warning to the left of the URL, and select 'Cookies' at the bottom of the menu. Then select "ilovophilosophy.com" and click "Remove" at the bottom.

You'll then need to log back in and that will create new cookies, so if the problem was with the cookies this should fix it.

Let me know if you have any trouble.


*"Not secure" means we don't use end-to-end encryption, so don't send e.g. bank details or things like that via PM.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:03 pm

Carleas,

Did what you suggested. Still not there yet. Seemed to be at first and then my little bubble burst.

*"Not secure" means we don't use end-to-end encryption, so don't send e.g. bank details or things like that via PM.


Who in their right mind would do that?!
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:12 pm

Meno_ wrote:Arc, don't get upset , I have had various issues myself. and they seem to phase out after a while. A thought occurred me, though. that ILP may be evolving intellectually, as well. Who knows nowadays.


Meno, sorry. I did not notice this at first.
Most issues eventually appear to phase out I suppose but with someone/something working behind the scenes.

As for your last two lines, I have no idea about that. I wonder though. I would be quite curious to see where that would/will take its members. Knock Knock? Neil Gaiman opens door.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Carleas » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:01 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:Did what you suggested. Still not there yet. Seemed to be at first and then my little bubble burst.

Hmmm... I guess that's data. A few follow-ups:

Did you need to log back in after you deleted your cookies?
How many cookies does it say are in use on ILP? (mine says "5 in use")
Do you have any ad or tracker blockers enabled (Ghostery, uBlock, etc.?), or are you using private/incognito mode?
Can you say more about what it means that it seemed to work?

Arcturus Descending wrote:Who in their right mind would do that?!

No one, I would hope. I just wanted to clarify that that's the kind of insecurity they're talking about; "not secure" to me sounds a lot more threatening than it is in the context of a message board. It's probably a good default, but it's a bit of an overreaction here.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:20 pm

Carleas,

Did you need to log back in after you deleted your cookies?

Yes.

How many cookies does it say are in use on ILP? (mine says "5 in use")

11 removed them - they jumped right back in.
Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Can you say more about what it means that it seemed to work?

Yesterday, hung on for a wee wee bit then back to a SNAFU. :lol:

As of today, no change. Being logged out. Let us see what happens now.
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Re: Did Not Know Where to Put This

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:20 pm

Took 3 tries to get the above in.

Have a good day, Carleas.
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