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Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Dan~ » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:52 am

Centrifugal force means that as things spin, there is a pull outwards from the center.

I read that the earth spins 460 meters per second.

That is very fast.

Why doesn't it fling all the surface into the air?

There is something strange about the earth's movement.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Sculptor » Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:18 am

Dan~ wrote:Centrifugal force means that as things spin, there is a pull outwards from the center.

I read that the earth spins 460 meters per second.

That is very fast.

Why doesn't it fling all the surface into the air?

There is something strange about the earth's movement.


The centrifugal force on your body at the equator is 0.034 m/s2 times the mass of your body. The centrifugal force at the poles is zero.
However the force of gravity anywhere on the earth's surface is about 9.8m/s2.

This means that whilst you are accelerating away from the earth at the rate of 3.4 centimetres every second, you are being dragged towards the earth's centre at 980 cm per second.
Every wondered why it is so difficult to get up out of bed in the morning?

Yes we are going round at a 1000mph, but because the distance from the centre of rotation is so vast the centrifugal force is only a few cm every second.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby origami » Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:26 pm

I think what he means is that centrifugal force has an immediately comprehensible dynamic, but gravity doesn't.

Like why doesn't everything just go flying off? Even at 3.whatever cm per second?

As I understood it, that is the question.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby origami » Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:32 pm

For centrigugal force, the closer you are to the center, the slower you are travelling and the easier it is to constantly cut your inertia which would have you going straight to bend your movement curvewise. The farther you are from the center, the faster you are travelling and the stronger your inertia is, so the likelier you are to simply be propelled like a thrown rock along your straight line.

But gravity seems to have no immediate reason for being.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby origami » Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:35 pm

Maybe because there is nothing in our daily experience that can compete with the earth's gravitational force, so it's harder for us to abstract it and wrap our heads around it.

Sometimes we can witness the tides and consider the Moon's gravity. Maybe that can help. Then it's easier to think about it the same way it is possible to think about a magnet. A magnet doesn't seem counterintuitive.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:33 pm

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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby MagsJ » Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:30 pm

Dan~ wrote:Centrifugal force means that as things spin, there is a pull outwards from the center.

I read that the earth spins 460 meters per second.

That is very fast.

Why doesn't it fling all the surface into the air?

There is something strange about the earth's movement.

..are you alluding to a flat Earth/no spin?
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:48 am

Ichthus77 wrote:https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/quantum-gravity/

Fake News

origami wrote:But gravity seems to have no immediate reason for being.

Are you saying that you don't understand why mass seems to attract mass?
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:44 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/quantum-gravity/

Fake News

origami wrote:But gravity seems to have no immediate reason for being.

Are you saying that you don't understand why mass seems to attract mass?


It wasn’t fake, it just didn’t establish quantum gravity.

Anyway. The same hole/privation that leaves a negative charge for electrons to fill/share on a valence is the kind of hole that nature abhors and causes matter to attract (on a geodesic…grand valence). It’s not a nothing, though. There was never nothing.

Fake news?
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:47 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:
origami wrote:But gravity seems to have no immediate reason for being.
obsrvr524 wrote:Are you saying that you don't understand why mass seems to attract mass?

It wasn’t fake, it just didn’t establish quantum gravity.

Fake because it claims things have been proven that haven't been - and additionally I don't believe are true.

Ichthus77 wrote:Anyway. The same hole/privation that leaves a negative charge for electrons to fill/share on a valence is the kind of hole that nature abhors and causes matter to attract (on a geodesic…grand valence). It’s not a nothing, though. There was never nothing.

Fake news?

Are you saying that mass particles are like holes that fall into each other or - that there is some kind of hole between the masses or - what? Where is the "hole that nature abhors"?

The real question is "why does nature abhor any such holes".
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:15 pm

That last reply quotes me out of context. I wasn’t referring to gravity, but your calling the article fake news.

“holes”/privations in valence (so, negative charge) explained here: https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p2881434

In the article I linked you to that you called fake news, did it mention what replaced dirac’s sea (paradigmatically)?

The rest of the questions you asked were already answered.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:23 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:That last reply quotes me out of context. I wasn’t referring to gravity,

My misunderstanding - sorry mate.

Ichthus77 wrote:“holes”/privations in valence (so, negative charge) explained here: https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p2881434

My understanding is that valence isn't about "negative charges" but merely a relative lack of charge - a void of the same potential - so relatively positive charge field to the electron cloud - causing an electron to slip into the cloud - "sharing electrons".

Ichthus77 wrote:In the article I linked you to that you called fake news, did it mention what replaced dirac’s sea (paradigmatically)?

My comment concerned the following statements -
    "the electromagnetic and strong and weak nuclear forces — are known to be quantum in nature."
    "By demonstrating that particles display the Aharonov-Bohm effect for gravitational forces, previously only seen with electromagnetic ones, we might have our first clue to gravity's quantum nature"
The first being a false claim - conflating statistical normalities with physical structure ("average male has a bad attitude = males are bad attitudes incarnate"). And the second being a precursor for the same mistake - illegitimate rationale - conflating math terms with physical reality.

I think that is another topic - just clarifying.

I don't think valence has anything to do with gravitation phenomena or centrifugal force (and certainly not quanta).

Centrifugal force is about momentum and mass inertia. Gravitation is about mass migration. The Earth's mass and size are so large they overwhelm the momentum concerns of 460 m/s surface orbiting (as perfectly explained by sculptor).
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:19 pm

What I’m hearing you say is matter is attracted to a black hole because of the mass of its matter rather than the privation of its charge.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:16 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:What I’m hearing you say is matter is attracted to a black hole because of the mass of its matter rather than the privation of its charge.

Black holes are not actual holes - just the opposite. Black holes were named because of how they first appeared to astronomers before they realized that they were actually extremely large mass particles - with extremely large gravitational effect.

As it relates to centrifugal force - even light passing by a black hole too close will be overwhelmed by the gravitational effect and fall into the huge particle rather than flit away.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:26 pm

That’s a theory. Is it confirmed?

Define a hole as a valence/geodesic privation so we can communicate, please.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:43 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:That’s a theory. Is it confirmed?

Everything is a theory. I didn't think there was any remaining question concerning black holes -
Wikipedia wrote:Black hole
A black hole is a region of spacetime where gravity is so strong that nothing – no particles or even electromagnetic radiation such as light – can escape from it. The theory of general relativity predicts that a sufficiently compact mass can deform spacetime to form a black hole.

The "bending of spacetime" is a language issue. In the maths - time and space can be presumed to be what is changing from mass rather than the mass changing from space and time. Those are two different ontologies (same results). It is just how you want to look at it or talk about it. Both concepts are equally true and demonstrated.

Ichthus77 wrote:Define a hole as a valence/geodesic privation so we can communicate, please.

From what I understand - there is a cloud of electrons orbiting every atomic nucleus. The nucleus is positive and the electrons are negative (interesting why they don't collide and annihilate). Because the electrons are in the form of particles - the cloud formed by them buzzing about is not uniform - it has relative "holes" or "deprivation" areas.

Those areas are less negative than where the fast moving electrons exist (and shifting around very quickly). A near by atom with a similar cloud of electrons can inadvertently push one of its own electrons into one of those less negative areas associated with the first atom (due to electrons strongly avoiding each other). Then that electron becomes a part of the first atom's cloud of electrons (temporarily). At that time one of the first atom's electrons generally gets pushed into the second atom's cloud to become a part of that atom. That is "valence electron sharing".

That sharing process becomes a mild bond between the atoms because - in effect - due to those electron deprived areas - the nucleus of each atom slightly attracts the electrons of the other atom.

I see it like political parties sending such confused positive and negative messaging that members of each party sometimes get attracted to the other party - temporarily. Together they end up forming a confused and mildly stable political congress bonded in battle.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Ichthus77 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:48 pm

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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:01 pm

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I expanded my post (didn't see your second question).
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:22 am

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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:27 am

The "bending of spacetime" is a language issue. In the maths - time and space can be presumed to be what is changing from mass rather than the mass changing from space and time. Those are two different ontologies (same results). It is just how you want to look at it or talk about it. Both concepts are equally true and demonstrated.


There is this feature of Google Earth or the space version that you can toggle so that it gives a perspective of the celestial sphere as if the earth was flat at the center of the solar system (or something). That sounds like something you’re saying here. It feels like you’re saying our system is *both* flat earth-centered *and* egg-shaped heliocentric (or whatever), and you just gotta toggle your perspective.

There is time t & time T… might be the confusion.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:39 am

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I see it more like -

origami -
    4 is made of 2+2
Magnus -
    4 is made of 1+1+1+1
FJ -
    4 could be made of 3+1
MD -
    NO! - "3" is just a myth. There is no "3". How could there be a 3? If there was a 3 - there would have to be a 1/3. I call BS!
Ec -
    You're all nuts. 1 comes before 3. Anyone knows that.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:46 am

oh so gravity grounds its energy in the base but the wave/circuit flow has no direction cuz it’s a cloud or whole valence/field & the slowed up (captured by … hm … sea?) base that keeps the pos & neg from canceling each other out?
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby obsrvr524 » Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:31 am

Ichthus77 wrote:oh so gravity grounds its energy in the base but the wave/circuit flow has no direction cuz it’s a cloud or whole valence/field & the slowed up (captured by … hm … sea?) base that keeps the pos & neg from canceling each other out?

I'm not sure if that makes sense. The way I prefer thinking about it is with James' Affectance Ontology. Some of his videos relating to all of this --

Equation of Space - Image

Affectance Ontology - Image

Of What the Universe is Made - Image

The Affectance Field - Image

Gravitation -
Image

Particle Formation - Image

Anentropic Shelter - Image

The issue of positive and negative attraction and why electrons don't crash into nuclei is a different set of graphs and videos. He talked about it on this board (somewhere). I'll look them up. I think it was a matter of the extreme potential differences that kept the particles apart.
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Re: Centrifugal force and earth's rotation

Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:55 am

Does James think the universe feels? Like a body. Does he think it also has mind/consciousness?
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